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Wagon Wheel vs. 8 Handed Casting

Wagon Wheel vs. 8 Handed Casting

Postby themaninblack » Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:41 pm

First off let me start off by saying that I am a rookie trainer, training my first hunting dog. He is a black lab male and he is almost a year and a half old. Anyhow I have been working on single T for about a week and a half now and from what I know he is doing pretty good. I am trying to research and prepare to do lining drills and and casting drills (overs, backs and angle backs) already working on overs on T. I have read many posts and forums about wagon wheel and 8HC drills. The problem I am having is I have read people referring to wagon wheel as a lining drill and as a casting drill. Could someone please explain both the wagon wheel and 8HC in a manner that a rookie trainer can understand?
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Re: Wagon Wheel vs. 8 Handed Casting

Postby gundogguy » Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:22 am

You should get a lot of explanation on this question. Instead of writing a book this short video will explain very nicely.
wagon wheel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75AbEUMo7H8

another view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKxg0WUq1_g

That will keep you and dog busy for a while best of fortunes.
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Re: Wagon Wheel vs. 8 Handed Casting

Postby themaninblack » Mon Aug 07, 2017 9:08 am

gundogguy wrote:You should get a lot of explanation on this question. Instead of writing a book this short video will explain very nicely.
wagon wheel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75AbEUMo7H8

another view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKxg0WUq1_g

That will keep you and dog busy for a while best of fortunes.



Okay I have now learned that wagon wheel is a lining drill... So what are drills that I can do for casting? I thought that was 8HC? Basically wagon wheel but with your dog placed in the center of the wheel at the axle if you will and you the handler giving casts (lefts, rights, backs, angle backs, angle ins etc... if that makes sense.
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Re: Wagon Wheel vs. 8 Handed Casting

Postby polmaise » Mon Aug 07, 2017 1:36 pm

themaninblack wrote:
gundogguy wrote:You should get a lot of explanation on this question. Instead of writing a book this short video will explain very nicely.
wagon wheel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75AbEUMo7H8

another view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKxg0WUq1_g

That will keep you and dog busy for a while best of fortunes.



Okay I have now learned that wagon wheel is a lining drill... So what are drills that I can do for casting? I thought that was 8HC? Basically wagon wheel but with your dog placed in the center of the wheel at the axle if you will and you the handler giving casts (lefts, rights, backs, angle backs, angle ins etc... if that makes sense.

WW Drill is a lining and casting drill ! ..Just so happens it's casting/sending the dog out . 'Handling' as in left/right- Left hand backs/Right hand backs as you say require the dog to be at the level of at the very least 'stop' ,and or 'stand alone' marks .
But perhaps , Gundogguy can explain better.
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Re: Wagon Wheel vs. 8 Handed Casting

Postby themaninblack » Mon Aug 07, 2017 3:24 pm

polmaise wrote:
themaninblack wrote:
gundogguy wrote:You should get a lot of explanation on this question. Instead of writing a book this short video will explain very nicely.
wagon wheel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75AbEUMo7H8

another view
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKxg0WUq1_g

That will keep you and dog busy for a while best of fortunes.



Okay I have now learned that wagon wheel is a lining drill... So what are drills that I can do for casting? I thought that was 8HC? Basically wagon wheel but with your dog placed in the center of the wheel at the axle if you will and you the handler giving casts (lefts, rights, backs, angle backs, angle ins etc... if that makes sense.

WW Drill is a lining and casting drill ! ..Just so happens it's casting/sending the dog out . 'Handling' as in left/right- Left hand backs/Right hand backs as you say require the dog to be at the level of at the very least 'stop' ,and or 'stand alone' marks .
But perhaps , Gundogguy can explain better.


Okay I was a little confused. I have done a little more research and have seen a post from Evan Graham saying that the wagon wheel casting drill is AKA 8HC. This is where the dog sits remotely in the middle of the circle and you CAST the dog left,right,back,diagonal backs,diagonal ins. There is also a wagon wheel lining drill. Casting in my mind is casting the dog in a certain direction from a remote sit. Correct me if I'm wrong about any of this...
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Re: Wagon Wheel vs. 8 Handed Casting

Postby polmaise » Mon Aug 07, 2017 4:07 pm

themaninblack wrote:Okay I was a little confused. I have done a little more research and have seen a post from Evan Graham saying that the wagon wheel casting drill is AKA 8HC. This is where the dog sits remotely in the middle of the circle and you CAST the dog left,right,back,diagonal backs,diagonal ins. There is also a wagon wheel lining drill. Casting in my mind is casting the dog in a certain direction from a remote sit. Correct me if I'm wrong about any of this...

Best ask Evan about his post . He is very helpful when the question is relative.
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Re: Wagon Wheel vs. 8 Handed Casting

Postby gonehuntin' » Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:29 am

The same 8 line lining drill can also be run as an 8 line casting drill. Makes it easy to understand for the dog.
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Re: Wagon Wheel vs. 8 Handed Casting

Postby DonF » Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:00 am

Been a lot of years since I've had a lab and I've only had two. Never saw or heard of this wheel before, really look's interesting. Very similar to using the baseball diamond and more places to cast to. I like that. In the baseball diamond you shoot in the center, pitcher's mound and rotated around to the base's.
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Re: Wagon Wheel vs. 8 Handed Casting

Postby gonehuntin' » Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:26 am

Same with the wagon wheel Don. Teaches the dog to take fine lines, move with the handler, and then take 8 different hand signals. Labs LOVE doing that drill.
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