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Boykin Pup Training

Post by CaptainBama » Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:38 pm

Hello,

I have a 11 week old Boykin pup and need a little guidance on what the best training books/DVDs would be best for me. I live in south Alabama and will use him mostly for dove with some quail, duck, squirrel, and rabbit as well. I’m also interested in maybe using him on a blood trail for deer, but not sure if that’s a possibility or something a Boykin would be good at. I’ve spent several hours reading on this forum before posting, but I’m a little overwhelmed with all the different training materials that are available. I had a couple GSPs in my early twenties so I do have a little experience working with a bird dog, but that was over 10 years ago. I used Wolter’s books “Gun Dog” and “Water Dog” back then, but it seems his methods are out of date after doing a little research. Thanks!

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Post by gundogguy » Sat Jan 26, 2019 6:58 am

At 11 weeks having fun and playing with your new pup is all that is needed well, except for house training and pup understanding that when he hears his name good things are going to happen. Did you acquire this pup from a Boykin breeder or is this a rescue. if it was a breeder put pressure on them to help you with the direction you want to take this pup.
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Post by Sharon » Sun Jan 27, 2019 2:56 pm

Welcome to the forum.:)

Other than fun , this is the time for planned out socialization , which takes time on your behalf.

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Post by crackerd » Mon Jan 28, 2019 10:05 am

Like gundogguy and Sharon advised, this is a time for getting to know your pup and vice versa, along with the socialization.

And don't be overwhelmed by the breadth of training material, be excited about having a gundog with a lot of breadth of its own, and that, while not a Lab or Chessie, can be trained as a retriever just like the Boykin's bigger cousins. That's how the majority of Boykin owners who work their dogs go about it - aiming to train a retriever specialist. The upland stuff as you've allowed for above will pretty much fall into place with a Boykin trained from the outset as a nonslip retriever.

And while Wolters' material is very outdated, in my opinion, Mike Lardy's training methodology from 20 years ago has not been superseded for training a retriever, especially for training your first retriever - go to http://www.ybsmedia.com/mike-lardy.php and look for Volume 1 of his training articles, which are put forth in a step-by and informational way, thus easily digested - and followed by a new trainer.

Don't know how far south you are in "south Alabama," but if you're around the good ol' Redneck Riviera, you'll find Boykin folks to train with by asking around some of the hunt clubs down there - and/or joining a local retriever club. And if you haven't already, go to the forum at retrievertraining.net and make yourself known - you'll get knowledgeable advice there on Boykins, too.

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Post by Sharon » Mon Jan 28, 2019 1:43 pm

Always glad to have you on here Crackerd- wish you were on more often.
Come on now, show him some of those great Boykin pics you have. :)
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Post by polmaise » Mon Jan 28, 2019 3:32 pm

Sharon wrote:Always glad to have you on here Crackerd- wish you were on more often.
Come on now, show him some of those great Boykin pics you have. :)
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Post by gundogguy » Tue Jan 29, 2019 6:45 am

Nice to see MG still taking nourishment! Happy New Year Michael!
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Post by Meskousing » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:48 am

I would add that it's never a bad time to shape a dog's behavior. For example, a young pup needs to learn that coming to the boss is a good thing. He/she gets treats, praise, etc. when they come to the boss. A check cord can start to shape the behavior that 'here' means to come to the boss and get treats. Teaching the dog boundaries, basic obedience, socialization with people and dogs, and manners is best done at a young age. I also had to teach the dog not to bark at the vacuum, which was done with treats. I looked at that stuff as training to begin to lay a foundation, as well as to start teaching the dog how to learn.

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CaptainBama wrote:Hello,

I have a 11 week old Boykin pup and need a little guidance on what the best training books/DVDs would be best for me. I live in south Alabama and will use him mostly for dove with some quail, duck, squirrel, and rabbit as well. I’m also interested in maybe using him on a blood trail for deer, but not sure if that’s a possibility or something a Boykin would be good at. I’ve spent several hours reading on this forum before posting, but I’m a little overwhelmed with all the different training materials that are available. I had a couple GSPs in my early twenties so I do have a little experience working with a bird dog, but that was over 10 years ago. I used Wolter’s books “Gun Dog” and “Water Dog” back then, but it seems his methods are out of date after doing a little research. Thanks!
There's a guy around here that has a side business blood trailing with his two Boykins. Not sure if he braces them when he goes on a trail or uses one at a time. He charges $100 (I think) for each recovered deer and gets it.

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Re: Boykin Pup Training

Post by CaptainBama » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:56 pm

gundogguy wrote:Did you acquire this pup from a Boykin breeder or is this a rescue.
I got him from a breeder who was an old timer who has been working with Boykins for a long time. He said I can call him anytime and he would be happy to help. He couldn’t recommend any training material though, he had never used any himself. I’ll definitely reach out to him later on, but at this point I feel like I don’t know what I don’t know. Thanks Hal!

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Post by CaptainBama » Tue Jan 29, 2019 1:59 pm

Sharon wrote:Welcome to the forum.:)
Thanks Sharon! And thanks for the links!

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Post by CaptainBama » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:11 pm

crackerd wrote:Don't know how far south you are in "south Alabama," but if you're around the good ol' Redneck Riviera, you'll find Boykin folks to train with by asking around some of the hunt clubs down there - and/or joining a local retriever club. And if you haven't already, go to the forum at retrievertraining.net and make yourself known - you'll get knowledgeable advice there on Boykins, too.

Good luck,

MG

I’m just 20 min north of the coast, I’ll ask around about some clubs and check out Lardy’s stuff. Thanks!

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Post by CaptainBama » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:17 pm

Meskousing wrote:I would add that it's never a bad time to shape a dog's behavior. For example, a young pup needs to learn that coming to the boss is a good thing. He/she gets treats, praise, etc. when they come to the boss. A check cord can start to shape the behavior that 'here' means to come to the boss and get treats. Teaching the dog boundaries, basic obedience, socialization with people and dogs, and manners is best done at a young age. I also had to teach the dog not to bark at the vacuum, which was done with treats. I looked at that stuff as training to begin to lay a foundation, as well as to start teaching the dog how to learn.
Getting him to come to me was actually something I’ve been wondering about. We have been giving him lots of praise and treats. He did increadible the first few weeks we had him. I was amazed at how well he listened. Within the last week he has started to get a little more independent. I guess it’s time to bring in a check cord like you said. I’m being very gentle and patient with him though. I feel like I messed that part up with my GSPs when I had them.

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Post by CaptainBama » Tue Jan 29, 2019 2:21 pm

JONOV wrote: There's a guy around here that has a side business blood trailing with his two Boykins. Not sure if he braces them when he goes on a trail or uses one at a time. He charges $100 (I think) for each recovered deer and gets it.

Hmm, interesting. I can already tell my pup has an incredible nose. Thanks!

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Post by Meskousing » Tue Jan 29, 2019 8:59 pm

Getting him to come to me was actually something I’ve been wondering about. We have been giving him lots of praise and treats. He did increadible the first few weeks we had him. I was amazed at how well he listened. Within the last week he has started to get a little more independent. I guess it’s time to bring in a check cord like you said. I’m being very gentle and patient with him though. I feel like I messed that part up with my GSPs when I had them.[/quote]

Your little 'un is starting to test the waters of independence and see what he can get away with. My AWS will be four in May and is still in that stage.

I used the check cord EVERYWHERE. He dragged it around the yard, house, on walks, etc. When I called him, I'd use the check cord to reel him in. Not necessarily yank him in. I just wanted to begin to condition him that he can't get away with ignoring me and that the only outcome to 'here' is that he came into me. Don't get me wrong, we still had to iron this out with an e-collar later, but it helped to begin that behavior molding.

Good luck. It's a fun ride!

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Post by CaptainBama » Sun Feb 03, 2019 6:12 pm

I’ve got a question. I’ve taken my pup out twice walkin through the woods and popped a few birds w my pellet gun. I let my Boykin retrieve the birds. I thought it might be good to go ahead and get him interested in birds and get use to me walking around w a gun in my hand. Also, teach him what happens when we go out w my gun (we get birds). Both times my pup was very excited, but he wanted to keep the bird to himself and eat it. I didn’t get on to him, but I did gently get the bird away from him so he couldn’t chew on it. Now I’m wondering to myself if I’m causing any trouble that I’ll pay for down the road. I’m worried about him learning to chew on the game instead of bringing it to me. Any thoughts?

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Post by cjhills » Sun Feb 03, 2019 8:49 pm

You might want to think twice about shooting tweety birds for your dog in most states it is not legal. Migratory birds are protected by the US Fish and Wildlife...….Cj
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CaptainBama wrote:I’ve got a question. I’ve taken my pup out twice walkin through the woods and popped a few birds w my pellet gun. I let my Boykin retrieve the birds. I thought it might be good to go ahead and get him interested in birds and get use to me walking around w a gun in my hand. Also, teach him what happens when we go out w my gun (we get birds). Both times my pup was very excited, but he wanted to keep the bird to himself and eat it. I didn’t get on to him, but I did gently get the bird away from him so he couldn’t chew on it. Now I’m wondering to myself if I’m causing any trouble that I’ll pay for down the road. I’m worried about him learning to chew on the game instead of bringing it to me. Any thoughts?
A pup that age being possessive of a bird is common, but I agree you do not want to continue with him chewing on a bird. A few things I do may be helpful to your situation. I work my pups with bumpers and engrain the out and back retrieve behavior with them before I go to birds. I make homemade checkcords out of light stiff thin diameter braided material and small swivel snap and let the pup drag it everywhere it goes. If and when the pup gets something in its mouth and does not want to bring it me, rather than continuing to call the pup when it is not going to come to me, I get my foot on the cord and gently reel the pup into me and take the item away, and move on.

I build tunnel barriers which are blocked off at one end when working my young puppies on retrieving, including birds. I used snow fence set parallel to the wall of my machine shed and straw bales at the end. I can work the pup on the straight out and back retrieve behavior this way. I get that behavior engrained with a puppy dummy and then move to a dead pigeon. If the pup does not return to me, I take the object away and the game ends. I would work with your puppy in a controlled setup such as this for the time being and build the out and back retrieve behavior you want before attempting to do the same in random open areas. When you move outside the barrier if the pup does not retrieve back to you, get your foot on the checkcord, take the object away gently and end the game immediately. You are teaching the pup that bringing it back to you provides another exciting toss to chase. And end the session after 2-3 tosses with the pup wanting another one. Do not bore the puppy and if it does not seem excited at the start then don't work on it at the moment and try again later or the next day.

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Post by CaptainBama » Mon Feb 04, 2019 9:59 am

cjhills wrote:You might want to think twice about shooting tweety birds for your dog in most states it is not legal. Migratory birds are protected by the US Fish and Wildlife...….Cj
So I’ve been told! :mrgreen: :oops:

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Post by CaptainBama » Mon Feb 04, 2019 10:06 am

Thanks AverageGuy. Very helpful. I’ll work on the basics over the next few months. I like your barrier for retrieving, I’ll have to make one. It was fun to see how excited my pup got when introduced to his first bird. I certainly don’t have to worry about his enthusiasm.

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CaptainBama wrote:
cjhills wrote:You might want to think twice about shooting tweety birds for your dog in most states it is not legal. Migratory birds are protected by the US Fish and Wildlife...….Cj
So I’ve been told! :mrgreen: :oops:
Not only is it illegal, but if you were to continue this practice in the fall you'll be asking us why your dog is more interested in dickie birds than game birds.

Get some books 'n vids. Better yet, would be to get with someone to help. For us newbies, it can be difficult to know what is acceptable and what needs polishing.

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cjhills wrote:You might want to think twice about shooting tweety birds for your dog in most states it is not legal. Migratory birds are protected by the US Fish and Wildlife...….Cj
I believe he doesn’t say what kind of bird, so let’s assume it’s an unprotected species like pigeons.
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CaptainBama wrote:I’ve got a question. I’ve taken my pup out twice walkin through the woods and popped a few birds w my pellet gun. I let my Boykin retrieve the birds. I thought it might be good to go ahead and get him interested in birds and get use to me walking around w a gun in my hand. Also, teach him what happens when we go out w my gun (we get birds). Both times my pup was very excited, but he wanted to keep the bird to himself and eat it. I didn’t get on to him, but I did gently get the bird away from him so he couldn’t chew on it. Now I’m wondering to myself if I’m causing any trouble that I’ll pay for down the road. I’m worried about him learning to chew on the game instead of bringing it to me. Any thoughts?
Cap, irrespective of all the information you've received above (viable information), this is not a good idea in oh so many ways. The beauty and benefits of retriever training - formal retriever training - is that it is a step-by and sequential process. You don't just decide to go out and start shooting birds over an 11-week-old pup. Can you say "Gunshy?" Can you say "Hardmouth?" Can you say " :oops: h, no, what have I done that can't be undone!" - as in "can't be fixed."

You really need to get some help from someone with experience in training a retriever/retrieving gundog, or...the odds are becoming more stacked by the minute that it ain't going to end well.

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Post by polmaise » Mon Feb 04, 2019 5:50 pm

CaptainBama wrote:Hello,

I have a 11 week old Boykin pup and need a little guidance on what the best training books/DVDs would be best for me. I live in south Alabama and will use him mostly for dove with some quail, duck, squirrel, and rabbit as well. I’m also interested in maybe using him on a blood trail for deer, but not sure if that’s a possibility or something a Boykin would be good at. I’ve spent several hours reading on this forum before posting, but I’m a little overwhelmed with all the different training materials that are available. I had a couple GSPs in my early twenties so I do have a little experience working with a bird dog, but that was over 10 years ago. I used Wolter’s books “Gun Dog” and “Water Dog” back then, but it seems his methods are out of date after doing a little research. Thanks!
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Post by cjhills » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:04 pm

mnaj_springer wrote:
cjhills wrote:You might want to think twice about shooting tweety birds for your dog in most states it is not legal. Migratory birds are protected by the US Fish and Wildlife...….Cj
I believe he doesn’t say what kind of bird, so let’s assume it’s an unprotected species like pigeons.
Yea, I suppose as usual you are right.
I did make an assumption based on the fact that in all my walks with my pups in the woods, and there has many , I have never seen a pigeon, Much less anybody popping them with a pellet gun. I guess it is possible for some people. Not me though. There is no unprotected wild species of birds in Mn.
Even if he is throwing birds it is not what he should do with a young pup .....Cj

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Post by CaptainBama » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:05 pm

Thanks everyone for the help and tough love. I’ve been slammed at work and haven’t really had a chance to sit down and order some training material, but as soon as I get a little time to catch my breath it’s the first thing on the list. It seems so easy to develope bad habits and quite difficult to keep the pup on the straight and narrow. Im definitely in a little over my head, but smart enough to reach out for help anywhere I can find it. Like most dumb moves... it seemed like a good idea at the time haha. I guess I got a little impatient in wanting to see my pup’s enthusiasm around birds. I didn’t want to wait 6 months to find out that the dog won’t hunt. He certainly made me happy with his reaction. But made me pause and question what I was doin when he played keep away and tried to eat the bird. I’ll keep posting my progresss and I’m thick skinned, I can handle the lashings... but hopefully I won’t provide too much more fodder.

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Post by cjhills » Mon Feb 04, 2019 7:52 pm

CaptainBama wrote:Thanks everyone for the help and tough love. I’ve been slammed at work and haven’t really had a chance to sit down and order some training material, but as soon as I get a little time to catch my breath it’s the first thing on the list. It seems so easy to develope bad habits and quite difficult to keep the pup on the straight and narrow. Im definitely in a little over my head, but smart enough to reach out for help anywhere I can find it. Like most dumb moves... it seemed like a good idea at the time haha. I guess I got a little impatient in wanting to see my pup’s enthusiasm around birds. I didn’t want to wait 6 months to find out that the dog won’t hunt. He certainly made me happy with his reaction. But made me pause and question what I was doin when he played keep away and tried to eat the bird. I’ll keep posting my progresss and I’m thick skinned, I can handle the lashings... but hopefully I won’t provide too much more fodder.
Bama:
I have never dealt with training a Boykin but the ones I have seen were pretty tough little dogs. I think you will need to learn patience as everybody on here also has done. It is nearly impossible to ruin a well bred pup. You can make things a little more difficult though. Nearly every young puppy who has some birdiness is not going to bring you his first bird. Don't let that worry you it will come with a bit of age. I don't really like dragging him in with a check cord. Work every day on recall. The retrieving corridor is probably a good idea. Going to slow is never a mistake. After doing some research figure out a plan and try to follow it. Don't be afraid to rework your plan if you see something happening you don't like.
Just enjoy the journey. You will probably never reach the destination cause you will keep moving the goal posts. Luck……..Cj

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Post by averageguy » Tue Feb 05, 2019 11:03 am

CaptainBama, please read my post several times. I am not advocating dragging your pup in on a check cord a bunch.

Rather I pointed out getting your foot on a check cord when a pup chooses to play keep away, taking the object away and ending the game is far better than continuing to give commands the pup is not going to heed. Continuing to call a puppy which is not going to come to you is teaching the puppy to ignore you.

And I was clear that I get the correct behavior in the controlled environment before I move to a less controlled environment. If you having to correct the pup with a check cord often you have moved outside the barrier too quickly and need to return to it.

A pup dragging a checkcord will also come in handy however for those times you are walking your pup in game county and it finds something dead and gross and is not inclined to give it up any time soon. Just get your foot on the checkcord, take the object away with no correction and move on. A puppy picking things up in its mouth is a good thing and I don't correct it for doing so, but I also don't want it eating it, so I handle in the manner just described. I will praise the pup when I take an object from its mouth so the experience is always a positive one. If I think there is a good chance it will bring it to me when I call it, I will. If not, I won't.

Trading a treat for an object when you take it away from the puppy is also a good way to go with some pups depending on how food oriented your puppy is. It prevents/reduces resentment and gives the pup a positive experience and something else to focus on immediately.

The order of training I work on is Here/Come first without distractions and then with distractions. Until a pup will come to you reliably with nothing in its mouth it is all the more likely to not come to you when it has something in its mouth that the pup is not anxious to give up it anytime soon. I also work on daily short bursts of play retrieve training in the tunnel as I described.

Once both of those are going well I combine Here with play retrieving outside the tunnel using a puppy bumper. If it goes well I continue, if not I return to the tunnel and work it there a few more days then try again outside the tunnel. Once a puppy is retrieving bumpers back to me well, I introduce a bird inside the tunnel again. When the puppy is running back to me with a bird inside the tunnel we try it outside the tunnel ...

I never choose to continue to call a puppy which has ignored the command the first time I gave it and that is when using the checkcord is the far better option.

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Post by CaptainBama » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:13 pm

Good stuff AverageGuy and CJ. The check cord seems like a good fix to my pup’s indepence. But I can also see how it could be mis-used. Thanks for detailing everything AverageGuy. CJ, I would like to hear your thoughts on an alternative to the check cord or perhaps how you work on the recall as you have suggested. My boy does good coming half the time, but when he’s found something that he’s interested in he’ll just sit there and look at me like he’s trying to decide between doing the right thing or rebelling haha. Thanks!

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Post by averageguy » Wed Feb 06, 2019 1:37 pm

It will not all be applicable to your flushing spaniel but the Perfect Start DVD is one of the best for teaching you how to train the basics with your puppy. Here, Heel, Bird, Gun and Ecollar introductions.

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Post by cjhills » Wed Feb 06, 2019 4:29 pm

CaptainBama wrote:Good stuff AverageGuy and CJ. The check cord seems like a good fix to my pup’s indepence. But I can also see how it could be mis-used. Thanks for detailing everything AverageGuy. CJ, I would like to hear your thoughts on an alternative to the check cord or perhaps how you work on the recall as you have suggested. My boy does good coming half the time, but when he’s found something that he’s interested in he’ll just sit there and look at me like he’s trying to decide between doing the right thing or rebelling haha. Thanks!
Bama:
Actually, I did not mean to imply that I never use a checkcord. I do occasionally but usually on a older pup.
I do not like to drag a pup in with his first bird. I do not worry to much about what he does with it. L like to have him in a somewhat controlled area, usually a kennel run. Most of the time with a young pup, if I just walk away he will bring the bird to me. They Have Had some dummy retrieves so they know what to do. I will take the bird away if they try to eat it but I don't care if they pull feathers out. I also do not let the young puppy have more than one or two birds. it really serves no useful purpose.
I do use treats for "here" training on a very young puppy and also a checkcord. I use a tug and release to teach him to give to pressure. I do not call him in the field until he is very good on recall and then never more than once. Generally I call and walk away. The young puppy will come with me. If not I go get him. I never punish the puppy for disobeying a "here' command. At 5 or 6 months I start him on the ecollar and overlay "here".

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Re: Boykin Pup Training

Post by CaptainBama » Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:48 pm

Hey everybody,

Just wanted to give an update on the training. I’ve bought 2 books and a DVD. They’re all off of the Boykin Spaniel Society’s website. “How to Help Gundogs Train Themselves” by Joan Bailey. “Retriever Training for Spaniels” by Pamela Owen Kadlec. And the DVD “Training Spaniels” featuring Kenneth C. Roebuck. I’ve only read the first book, about to start on the second, haven’t watched the DVD yet. My boy will be 6 months old at the end of the month. I’m happy but cautious with his progress. He sits and stays beautifully. Kenneling on command decently. Fetching and Whoa is coming along, but not flawlessly. I have used MD-90 firecrackers first while he was in his kennel and then outside to begin gun conditioning and he doesn’t blink an eye. I plan on introducing him to a .410 soon while he is fetching a dead bird and when I can get someone to help. I took him swimming for the first time last month and it was an absolute joy to watch. I’ve had a lot of dogs as a boy growing up, but never one that even tolerated water. This dog LOVES water. He waded out to his shoulders, hesitated for a few seconds and whimpered, then launched out into the deep. I thought I was going to have to jump in and bring him back to the bank. He swam and splashed and played and retrieved sticks for an hour straight. Anyway, I did have one question for now. I’m a little confused as to how I should be training the dog to fetch game. Maybe even a little confused as to the definition of an “upland” retriever and a “non-slip” retriever. Again, I’ll be using the dog mainly on dove and quail with some duck thrown in. I guess I’m unsure about what the dog should be doing during and after shooting the game. Should he be running freely towards the game or should I train him to stay put until I signal him to retrieve the game? Also, I plan on building a quail box and buying some quail for training. The books make a quail box seem simple, easy to use, cut and dry. I’m a little leery. Any advice on using a quail box? Thanks!

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Re: Boykin Pup Training

Post by CaptainBama » Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:51 pm

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