GSP wouldn't come.

FFDGSP · Post by **FFDGSP** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:28 pm

Was in the woods the other day and when I tried to call my GSP she wouldn't come. She is trained to voice, whistle and e-collar. I had her on the e-collar and i could locate her with the beeper. When I got to where she was there was a man with two other dogs and she was messing around with them. I told her to come and when she didn't I hit her with a nick. (set at 25%) She still didn't come. Stayed by the other guy. I hit her with a quick shot of continuous. She yelped and went right to the side of the other guy. (It is set at 25%) I called her again and she didn't come. I had to walk over and get her. It was strange, she likes to greet people but has always come when called. sometimes reluctantly. I have never had to hit her with continuous for anything. A nick has always worked. Could this be an anomoly. I don't if the other guy gave her a treat or maybe she was confused. If I'm the problem let me know. Any advice or comments would be helpful.

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:19 pm

Sounds like she was confused. Excited and confused.

TheShadow · Post by **TheShadow** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:30 pm

sounds like confusion. maybe need some more work on the come/here command with the collar. or the distraction is so much more important than a nick/continuous but to me it sounds like confusion.

hubweims · Post by **hubweims** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:31 pm

turn the collar down more so that she doesn't yelp, put a check cord on her, and train obedience with it in the yard. much like a retriever. put the collar on continuous, give her the come command, and if there is any reluctance or pause hit the collar and reel her in on the check cord. she will learn to beat the stimulation by coming much quicker and better. when she learns to beat the stimulus and start coming, watch her carefully (he attitude and eyes) and if she goes to hesitate or change course hit her with the collar and reel her in some more.

btw, the collar should only be used to enforce commands when you are 100% positive your dog understands. you can start with just the short 4-6ft leash, then move to only check cord, then you finish with the e-collar. just remember to keep the check cord attached to the dog at first even with collar b/c you must enforce the command and be able to reel her in straight and fast.

jmo, dog should never yelp with correction. i train my dogs on setting 1. they just need to feel it. if she is yelping it's too hot. this will feed her confusion b/c it hurts and she doesn't seem to know why. if the dog is confused, you haven't done the command correctly and need to revisit it. the come command should not allow any confusion. you give it, she comes.....period.

ward myers · Post by **ward myers** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 4:38 pm

its natural reaction for a dog to run to closes human when getting stimulated.
i have a male that does that, my buddy kept trying to convince me
my dog had a hearing problem .
when his male did it i told him he needed to get his dogs hearing
checked

i believe they get confused &nervous & run to the nearest person

Post by **ezzy333** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:19 pm

Ward is exactly right. It's not a problem to worry about. It was strictly a new experience and she went to the closest person in her excitement.

Ezzy

gonehuntin' · Post by **gonehuntin'** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:46 pm

You made a HUGE mistake there by hitting her with the collar when she was near another person or dog. She could well have bit the preson or attacked the dog. Never, ever, do that. Go up and leash her and settle it later. The guy probably thought you were a real jerk for doing that.

Don · Post by **Don** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:00 pm

Agree with GH. Go get the dog and take it away. It was intrested in new friends and sounds like a young dog. It wasn't being contrary, just young. Serves no usefull purpose to train with a distraction like that. That guy was probably playing with your dog before you got there. Imagine your dog out in the back yard and your trying to train. Your best friend or one of the kids comes out and starts playing with the dog. Try to enforce training and your not gonna have a lot of luck with a young dog.

ohiogsp · Post by **ohiogsp** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:28 pm

I have seen this lots of times I believe there is some confusion but it is not the dogs fault. Most will do this, and sometimes when I am hunting where there are other people this will happen when I call her "no shock collar involved". I have also learned from hunt testing that sometimes you have to wave your hands above your head so the dog knows what person you are. I believe dog sees it as (as long as I goto a person I'm OK).

ddshine · Post by **ddshine** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:44 pm

yeah you probably need not to hit her with the collar. you should of swallowed your pride and just went ant got the dog.

Mark Payton · Post by **Mark Payton** » Sun Jan 06, 2008 8:25 pm

Definitely confusion, and I agree with the other posters that you should have just gotten the dog physically by the ID collar instead of trying to get her with the ecollar. This is one of those phenomenons that you wouldn't think of if you haven't seen it before.

The first time I saw it I was working a dog in my 3 acre fenced field when this GSP went to my 5 year old son instead of me! I tried a low level nick with the ecollar too (so don't feel bad), and when he wouldn't come to me, I just chalked it up to confusion. Coincidentally, I had the same thing happen the other day when we ran into a rabbit hunter and we were each trying to get our respective dogs back and going in the right direction.

Mark

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