NSTRA Champion of Champions

Post by **Greg Jennings** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 10:51 am

Rick and Brenda are headed to Amo, IN to run Fritz and Logan in the Champion of Champions trial.

Since it's only a couple of hours from here, I'm thinking about going over to support them.

GO FRITZ!!

GO LOGAN!!

Best regards,

12 Volt Man · Post by **12 Volt Man** » Mon Apr 24, 2006 11:53 am

Should be a good trial. TAK is headed there too. Good luck to all.

snips · Post by **snips** » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:32 pm

We`re back and I did not see you Greg, nor did I meet Tak. I did notice on the way ooking at the bace sheet he was entered. I made a cut with Logan, then not the next one. Fritz made 2 cuts then got bad conditions this a.m. He took a 3rd yesterday tho. Nice weather and saw some good braces.

Post by **kninebirddog** » Mon May 01, 2006 12:25 pm

Scott wins but it looks like Lonnie did a great job also

TOC:
1st Burchel's Dutchman Scott Townsend
2nd Moniteau's Jessie James Lonnie Jones
3rd Windy Acres Jessica Derek Plyler
4th Moniteau's Main Man Lonnie Jones

Endurance will be at the Rock Creek Kennel Club in Waverly, Nebraska.

gunner · Post by **gunner** » Mon May 01, 2006 2:01 pm

Post by **kninebirddog** » Mon May 01, 2006 2:32 pm

That is a great view of A field

snips · Post by **snips** » Mon May 01, 2006 9:15 pm

Congratulations Scott (Crosswind) on the big win with Dutch!!! Sorry you and Rick had to keep butting heads with the shorthairs. :roll:

TAK · Post by **TAK** » Mon May 01, 2006 10:23 pm

I tried my best, but some family matters came up. I figured I was needed here more than 26 hours away. Believe me I would have walked to Amo rather get the news the family did!
By golly I will be in Colorado tho!

crosswind · Post by **crosswind** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:11 am

Thanks Brenda.I still can't get over the fact that Rick and I had the bad luck to draw each other in back to back runs.LOL.That C field was not what either one of us needed to run those two dogs on.

Post by **kninebirddog** » Tue May 02, 2006 8:07 am

Now that would have been some braces to see...

Congrats Crosswind

snips · Post by **snips** » Tue May 02, 2006 1:01 pm

It was! Two nice dogs going at it (not to mention handlers!)

markj · Post by **markj** » Tue May 02, 2006 3:10 pm

Endurance will be at the Rock Creek Kennel Club in Waverly, Nebraska.

When is this? Iwould like to see this.

Post by **kninebirddog** » Tue May 02, 2006 3:31 pm

this starts the first wed after labor day...
i think they are planning a 4 day double over labor day weekend

I will find out the dates

Post by **kninebirddog** » Wed May 03, 2006 7:31 am

The NSTRA Endurance Trial in Waverly Nebraska will be Sept 6-9 2006

markj · Post by **markj** » Wed May 03, 2006 8:45 am

I put it on my calander so I might get away to see these. Thanks

BrettBryan · Post by **BrettBryan** » Wed May 03, 2006 12:23 pm

Scott, congrats on your victory with Dutchman. I was the greenhorn with the shorthair that ran against you and Dutchman in the first brace. Scenting was kind of tough in that brace. Anyway, congrats on you win! That's an honor to win.

crosswind · Post by **crosswind** » Wed May 03, 2006 1:11 pm

Thanks Brett.Those fields can get tough at that time of year ,with everything starting to green up.Im glad I got to meet you.It is good to see some new faces in NSTRA.I hope you do well in the future,it is a tough game to break into.For the short time you have been in obviously you have done well to put a championship on your dog already,Good luck.

BrettBryan · Post by **BrettBryan** » Wed May 03, 2006 1:19 pm

Scott, thanks. I talked with your buddy, Jeff Gamble last night. He's a nice guy. I ordered a box of cigars from him. Have you tried them?

crosswind · Post by **crosswind** » Fri May 05, 2006 7:26 am

Jeff is a great guy. Those cigars of his are good.I brought home a box from the trial. Try the cinnamon.

BrettBryan · Post by **BrettBryan** » Tue May 09, 2006 6:22 am

Crosswind, I am a member of the NSTRA Mid-South Region and Jeff has really worked with us on scheduling Field Trails. To fill our trials last year we needed members from the Dixie Region to help us. This year, Jeff's the President of the Dixie Region. He has really worked with us on scheduling trials. We would have a hard time having a trial if it was on the same weekend as the Dixie Region. So, Jeff worked with Mike Grissom, our region president on scheduling them. That will really help the Mid-South Region continue. I wonder if many other regions are having trouble filling their trials? We can't seem to find new members. I hope the novice part of the trial will help add new members. I ordered the vanilla cigars from Jeff, before I saw your post. Thanks for the advice. The next time I'll order the cinnamon. thx.

crosswind · Post by **crosswind** » Wed May 10, 2006 11:19 am

We are putting together the final details for the amateur trials this week to submit to the officers.We think it will help with the membership by attracting new members and it will also make the open division more closely matched by removing the easy draws (beginning dogs ,young dogs,new members ) out of the draws.Your amateur dogs can remain in that division until they accumulate 9 points.There will be 2 to 4 amateur braces at the end of every trial. I will give more details on this later.

snips · Post by **snips** » Wed May 10, 2006 1:22 pm

Does this 9 points include 1st place pts?

AHGSP · Post by **AHGSP** » Wed May 10, 2006 7:33 pm

Would the scoring and requirements remain the same for the Amateurs?? More lenient for errors by the handler

and the dog?? I wanted to give NSTRA a try this year, but have decided to just attend a few to watch and learn first, but an Amateur Div. would be a nice place to start....

snips · Post by **snips** » Wed May 10, 2006 9:19 pm

I think Amateur is only for the dog, is this correct Scott? Scott has been on the committee to come up with a system that enbles newbie dogs to be braced with more of the same to make a more fair playing field hopefully.

crosswind · Post by **crosswind** » Thu May 11, 2006 7:29 am

Bruce the scoring will remain the same for both divisions.We did not want to over complicate things with 2 different scoring systems.

Brenda,the nine points will carry over toward your first championship,but they will not count as first place points.The point system looks like it will be 2 points for first place,one point for second,first thru third will also receive a ribbon. Keep in mnd this is still on the drawing board and these rules may yet be modified.

As you said Brenda,I think it will level the playing field in both the amateur and open divisions.It will give the person just starting in NSTRA a chance to compete against a dog of equal experience and caliber.

This division is for the dogs only ,not handlers,again to do this for dogs and handlers would have way over complicated things.

Post by **pear** » Thu May 11, 2006 7:47 am

Sounds like a very positive step for NSTRA, hope it works as good as it sounds. ..."pear"

AHGSP · Post by **AHGSP** » Thu May 11, 2006 9:24 am

Thanx for the replies Brenda and Scott.

Would the Amateur dog be expected to be Steady through the shot, retrieving, backing, etc... the same or will there be allowance for some "rough edges" in the level of training?

snips · Post by **snips** » Thu May 11, 2006 9:53 am

Requirements will be the same for all dogs, they are steady til the bird moves. Or they can break when bird moves. We like ours steady to the shot for control purposes.

AHGSP · Post by **AHGSP** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:38 am

Thanx Brenda. Steady through the shot is mandatory for me and not really any more difficult to reach in training. Steady to fall with a tapout for release is going to cost points in time as I understand it though?? Do you allow the dog to break at the shot with the shot as the release??

crosswind · Post by **crosswind** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:40 am

There is not a person in NSTRA that has started with a dog that was flawless.Including the person judging your dog.They are dogs and they make mistakes,you will see dogs at all different levels of training when you go.Don't be ashamed or embarrassed if your dog makes a mistake, that goes with the game.Go trial and have a good time.

ckfowler · Post by **ckfowler** » Thu May 11, 2006 12:20 pm

You can keep your dog steady, just remember to hurry over to release them after you shoot! I bet anything you lose in time will come back to you in retrieve points with a dog that trained.

Post by **pear** » Thu May 11, 2006 5:30 pm

ckfowler wrote:You can keep your dog steady, just remember to hurry over to release them after you shoot! I bet anything you lose in time will come back to you in retrieve points with a dog that trained.

Colin, NSTRA is not a timed (time credit) event. So no time is lost ..."pear"

Casper · Post by **Casper** » Thu May 11, 2006 7:26 pm

What are judges looking for in a NSTRA dog?

The dog that won how did the judges deam this dog to be the best?

How did it apply itself in the field?

snips · Post by **snips** » Thu May 11, 2006 9:27 pm

In NSTRA, each find is scored by the judge, each retrieve is scored, 1 honor if they have one, ground cover is scored, and obedience (how well the dog handles). There is 5 birds planted before each 30 min brace and it obviously counts to have the most birds, but if you have the same birds and retrieves then scores are very important, so style is a big factor. In the Nat`l Trials the winner has to make several cuts to keep advancing to the finals which 10 birds are planted in a opened up field (twice the size of a regular trial) and they run an hour brace.

AHGSP · Post by **AHGSP** » Thu May 11, 2006 9:55 pm

I hope we are not derailing this thread too much, but I've got a lot questions to ask and lots to learn

Brenda,
When you say the cover is scored, then I take that as meaning if a dog does an exceptional job of finding a bird in say, a brush choked drainage, then it would score higher... is that correct? Style=the better finished dog/performance?

Also, it looks like the Trial Schedule on the Virginia Region on the NSTRA site is completed for the Spring, where else may I go to see events within a reasonable distance and when will a new schedule be posted? Summer Season? Fall Season?

I apologize for all the questions, I'm just trying to absorb as much here as I possibly can.

Post by **pear** » Fri May 12, 2006 5:27 am

Brenda will need to respond to this too be sure, but I think she may have slightly misspoke when she said ground cover is scored. I think she meant ground coverage is scored. Meaning the dog is scored on how the dog hunts/covers the field. I guess in turn it's also scored on how it makes use of the types of cover in a field, but I think her reference was more toward coverage than cover. Now hopefully I haven't misspoken and confused everything. ..."pear"

snips · Post by **snips** » Fri May 12, 2006 7:01 am

Bruce, the trial schedule for fall will not be out til summer. I think they have to be in by June 1, so should be out in July. Like Pear says, Ground cover is how well the dog runs and hunts. When I have a dog I am going to run in NSTRA in like to steady them up and get whatever broke dog titles on them first, then run them in NSTRA and have fun. It also gives the dog experience in the field before running NSTRA. I still keep them steady to wing between trials, it helps in NSTRA to have them stop to flush so you can call them off a bumped bird, and if you don`t shoot (safty) then you don`t loose time having your dog going after a safty bird. Getting a Rule book and going over the rules helps you understand what they have to do.

AHGSP · Post by **AHGSP** » Fri May 12, 2006 9:07 am

Thanx folks,

I feel really stupid for that question

I've read the online version of the rules several times and had read that before. I had planned to put Dalins Broke dog Titles on him over the next few years and then move him over to NSTRA possibly, depending on where the next few years with him carries me, but my Percy dog would probably do very well in NSTRA or other similiar formats and I will most likely start running him once I've had a good chance to see a few and have a feel for it.

So many games, so lil time between hunting seasons!!

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