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Post by Jager » Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:36 am

Does anyone know where they are in the running order? I am trying to get out for the shooting dog stakes to watch my dog. Or does anyone have a running order that can be posted? Thanks.
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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by vzkennels » Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:46 am

Jager from what Chris told me the OSD should run Wednesday & Thursday ,he is supposed to call & let me know when Star will be running but haven't heard anything yet.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by SFK » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:07 am

I just heard that they are running 3 braces of OSD today and the rest tomorrow. Total of 11 dogs.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by SFK » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:08 am

Sorry, I don't know when either of your dogs are running...

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by vzkennels » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:06 pm

Thanks SFK Chris called me this morning & told me they were drawing the Running order at lunch after the AA unfortunately I can't make it as I am loading up my camper to head out for Turkey Hunting camp & this weather has put me behind.I had planned on being there if Star ran tom but circumstances won't allow it.I wish every one good luck but hoping for a win like all the rest. :D

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by SFK » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:33 pm

No problem. I'll be heading down tomorrow. I'll watch her for ya if she hasn't run already. She looked really good this weekend at the GSPC of Ohio.

Good luck with the turkeys. Hope you bag a nice one!

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Razor » Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:50 pm

Who won the AA?

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by vzkennels » Wed Apr 15, 2009 6:52 pm

I haven't heard but should get the scoop from Chris tom.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Hi-N-Kennels » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:01 am

All Age results



Kane- Winner O/H Hank Lewis

Dixie- Harvey Franco / Chris Goegan

OSD results?

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by vzkennels » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:13 am

Congrats! Hank that trial kinda belongs to Kane now doesn't it? :D

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Hi-N-Kennels » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:09 pm

Yes

Kane has won 3 years in a row there. Also he won a pointer trial there this year.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by remmy » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:23 pm

Congrats Hank!!! On a roll there!

Matt just called me and said we got runner up with Bell in the OSD!

I think he said the Champion was Miles / Mesnard
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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Hi-N-Kennels » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:28 pm

Congrats to the OSD winners.

Cliff & Miles had good week. Bell is doing very well w/ Matt also.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Blue Dawn Kennel » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:30 pm

Congrats~ Hank/Chris, Harvey/Chris & Dixie, Cliff/John/Miles and Rob/Matt & Bell.. That's great guys best of luck with the rest of the season.
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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by SFK » Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:30 am

Congrats to All!

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by R-Heaton » Wed Jul 01, 2009 10:56 am

Anybody want to chat about this?

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by DGFavor » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:07 pm

Gads! That's a bad deal. One of my biggest fears putting on a trial is something like that happening. Too bad.

Few years ago, I got my entries called in to a trial but had to work until 1am the night before it started. I got off work, drove over 5 hours thru the night to get there by the advertised breakaway time knowing if I had drawn out in the first few braces, I'd have to be saddled up and going out with the 1st brace. Turns out they didn't even draw the thing yet as advertised deciding to wait until morning for another person to show up! I was pretty PO'd, never heard of such a thing...but then miraculously my dog won and I felt better! :lol: :lol: Thankfully it wasn't protested but easily could have been and justifiably denied.

Not sure of all the specifics on this Ohio deal but just sounds like a real bummer for all. :(

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by PntrRookie » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:42 pm

Could you give some insight to us outsiders as to what transpired at this venue. If not specifics just what happened in general so we may all possibly learn from it? Maybe it has already been posted and you could direct us there.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by R-Heaton » Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:02 pm

From what I gather (so might not be at all really what happend),,, the host club announced that they would do the drawing at X time in the evening before the stake was scheduled to start,,, but in reality they drew it at lunch time probably 6 hours earlier than announced time. Somebody protested this and Bernie at the Field won't recognize the Championship because they didn't follow the minimum standards as outlined by the American Field. Needless to say you have 2 very pissed off people (winner and ru) and the rest or some just want there entry fee back.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by PntrRookie » Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:49 pm

Thanks, were any entries not allowed in due to the early entry?

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by R-Heaton » Wed Jul 01, 2009 2:59 pm

Thats a good question and I have no idea,,,, I was hoping for some of the people that were there would jump in and till some of the facts.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by DGFavor » Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:00 pm

Thanks, were any entries not allowed in due to the early entry?
I don't really know that it matters - any deviation from the minimum standards opens a trial up scrutiny and protest even when everyone present says they agree with the deviation. Certainly conducting a drawing earlier than advertised or in a different location than listed will make those not in the know and thus excluded pretty prone to protest!! Field trialing is a goofy game enjoyed by a varied and goofy bunch prone to changing our minds about how we feel/felt about something!! Always better as a club to just run things as listed in the premium.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by original mngsp » Wed Jul 01, 2009 5:18 pm

From what I understand the drawing was held the day of the stake, as opposed to the nite prior to the stake which is a requirement. If this is the case, the club messed up big time. The American Field?NGSPA has some of the most lenient rules regarding field trials that exist, with most things falling under the "common sense" banner. If a championship organization cant comply with the simplest of rules maybe they shouldn't be holding a championship event.

If I'm wrong regarding what happened please let me know.
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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Joe Amatulli » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:31 pm

Let’s set the record straight, first you need to understand the mentality of some of the people in Ohio, you have a group of people that believe the only reason anyone wins a championship is for any other reason other than they have the best dog! Through out the history of field trialing in Ohio there have been, shall we say indiscretions, which is one of the reasons that the NGSPA moved out of Ohio.

Now for what happened, I was not there, but did talk to someone that was and has first hand knowledge of what did happen. It is true in the ad it does say drawing the evening before the running, but in this case there was no one else there to witness the drawing and remember the type of people that you are dealing with, so the decision was make to hold the drawing with people present the next morning. The people running this trial were told that Hank Lewis went home with his dog and will not be returning, NOT by Hank, he was drawn and won the championship. I think you can fill in the rest.

The NGSPA voted not to remove the title, American Field reversed that ruling, which I do not agree with. The only thing that I will say is that I think the penalty does not fit the crime, I have see much worse done including: manipulating the drawing to give one person an advantage over another, inconsistent bird planting, double, triple handling and even taking a dog to the front in a truck, but I guess that is okay. I would also like to say that even the NGSPA has been inconsistent in what they do.

The people that run this trial are people that quit the Can Am for their indiscretions and are trying very hard to run a good and honest trial this was very minor in nature and although I am of the agreement that the NGSPA needs to police their trials way better, removing the championship was not warranted.

All I can say is that I will be there next year, I think honest people need to be supported and acknowledged.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by R-Heaton » Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:46 pm

Yea that's not a good thing no matter how it happend,, but
Joe Amatulli wrote:The people running this trial were told that Hank Lewis went home with his dog and will not be returning, NOT by Hank, he was drawn and won the championship. I think you can fill in the rest
I don't quite follow,,,, camp rumor said he went home but in fact he entered his dog, got drawn, ran and was the best dog,,, what's the big deal there.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by R-Heaton » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:38 pm

Joe,,, that is interesting,,, never been to a drawing where nobody showed up,, not sure what we would do,,,, nope I take that back,,,,, we would hold the drawing at the place and time we advertised,,,, and would be quite short with anybody that questioned it the day after,,,, you have zero room to complain if you don't show up.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Joe Amatulli » Mon Jul 13, 2009 5:50 pm

Rich just keep in mind that this is a new championship being run by fairly new people to the game and you have people that are just looking for you to mess up. I as you would, just draw the stupid thing as advertised, but I like you have been around a while and don’t put with that garbage. I don’t know who put in the complaint, but I’ll bet you that person has never run a trial nor has ever won anything. Sounds like a great sportsman to me. :mrgreen: :roll:
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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by jim hardin » Mon Jul 13, 2009 6:51 pm

PntrRookie wrote:Could you give some insight to us outsiders as to what transpired at this venue. If not specifics just what happened in general so we may all possibly learn from it? Maybe it has already been posted and you could direct us there.
I was there and we were told that we would not run til the following day when we went down there, then they changed it and they said they were going to do the drawing and start right after lunch. Hank Lewis loaded his dog and left so he wouldn't be drawn that day. With three NGSPA board members there,(TOM DAVIS, DR. REYNOLDS, CLIFF MESNARD) doing the drawing , knowing this was illegal , they manipulated the drawing to favor Hank Lewis to run the following day, because he had run his dog in the amateur shooting dog the same day as the start of the all age . Tom Davis called Bernie Mathis after he found out he could be in trouble to see what the legallities were, because he knew he could be in trouble and he wanted to protect himself. (typical Tom). With 3 Ngspa board members supervising this it should have been done right. If you wanted to know the facts here they are.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Elroy's Bandit » Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:04 pm

Well, If you were there Jim , then I guess you have a first hand account of what happened. Hard to argue that.
I guess there was one person there for the drawing. Something sounds fishy.
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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by R-Heaton » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:22 am

Elroy's Bandit wrote:then I guess you have a first hand account of what happened. Hard to argue that
Not really,,,, I've seen 40 person drawings and ya get 40 different accounts on what happend.

In the end,,, it does sound like the dog got cheated,,,, heck with the people,,,, your only cheatin the dogs.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Neil » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:25 am

Folks,

I know Bernie Mathys well, he is an honorable person. I believe he would have done everything within his power before he would have pulled the Championship status.

I don't know and don't care about the other players in the mess,

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Joe Amatulli » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:08 am

Well I guess we now know who put in the complaint, should have known, but let me understand what happened Cliff Mesnard did the drawing, Cliff had a dog in that stack and manipulated the drawing so he would loose to Hank. Cliff must really be the dumbest cheat I have ever heard of or simply had an honest man.

Like I said the only reason anyone wins one of these thing is for any other reason other than they have the BEST DOG. :evil: This is what I call sportsmanship at its best? :roll:

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Re: Ohio Championship

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Joe Amatulli wrote:Let’s set the record straight, first you need to understand the mentality of some of the people in Ohio, you have a group of people that believe the only reason anyone wins a championship is for any other reason other than they have the best dog!
There are bad eggs everywhere. Not just Ohio. Even in your neck of the woods, Joe. Please don't degrade an entire state just because of a few people.

I was there for lunch when they were talking about starting the All Age (I had run in the ASD). They wanted to start a few braces of the AA because they felt they were getting behind. There was quite a bit of discussion about how one dog in the AA was not there and whether it could run that day or not because it had run that day in the ASD. The dog was not on the grounds (everyone knew it). Some people were saying that it wasn't fair that a dog run twice on the same day. Others said that it could run that day becasue it was on the ground for a short period of time in the ASD (well under 30 min). I am very new to the NGSPA game so I was more focused on my lunch than the discussion as I don't know all of the draw rules, etc. When it was all said and done, it appeared to me that everyone there agreed about when and how to run the stake (don't know if that is right or not). I did not see the draw as I was packing up to go home.
Joe Amatulli wrote:I don’t know who put in the complaint, but I’ll bet you that person has never run a trial nor has ever won anything. Sounds like a great sportsman to me.
I'll take that bet! From what I hear (and this is pretty reliable) the person making the stink has been in the game quite some time and has quite a some big wins under their belt (hence how they knew what complaint would get the thing thrown out and who to give it to). Also, they do not live in Ohio! Sorry, but that just really bugged me for some reason. Call it Ohio pride. :lol:

I don't know what is the right call or the wrong one, but I will say from my point of view, not knowing all of the rules, the dog got robbed. The entire thing leaves a very bad taste in my mouth as a newcomer starting to get in to NGSPA events.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Hi-N-Kennels » Tue Jul 14, 2009 8:10 am

Here are the facts. I talked to Cliff before lunch & he said they where going to start the AA the next day. We were going to run this like a Ch. & not rush things. It was raining for the ASD & I was wet. There are no facilities at Mingo to dry off. I live an hour away so I went home to dry off & return to work for the afternoon. Hard to trial for a week when you are a self employed amt.

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A bitch in season ran in the last brace of the amt. I was told wem were not going to start till next day. Courtesy not to run a dog in CH 2x in 1 day. Drawing MUST be done night before stake. NO EXCEPTIONS. 3 board members there & watched drawing take place knowing it was wrong? I am not sure why the person who reported this did not go to NGSPA 1st instead of directly to AF. Seems a little backward. I am not sure why we are punishing the dogs in such a hard way. Due to the rules the SD was also drawn the same day & should be under the same rules as the AA? This is not the 1st CH to draw the the dogs on the same day, yet they are using the Ohio as an example? This is a tough & dying sport, yet we are punishing the young people trying to make it in this game?

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Joe Amatulli » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:49 am

SFK I apologize if it sounds like I am putting all the people of Ohio into one basket, I am NOT, the people that run this championship are from Ohio and as I have said I have nothing but the greatest of admiration for them. And as I have said it is a small group that is a blight on this sport that I love. There just seems to be too many of them that come from Ohio.

Hank the rule is that a bitch in season runs at the end of the day and the day is done PERIOD. At the NGSPA national the amateur and open shooting dog run back to back and the run is a dog must be given 24 hours rest before running again. I should know I put that run in when I was on the board and have seen it enacted.

Like I said this is sportsmanship at its worst and yes Hank you and Harvey got robed.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Hi-N-Kennels » Tue Jul 14, 2009 9:52 am

Joe

Thanks for the update. I appreciate your support. There seems to be some alterior motive behind this?

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by DGFavor » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:17 am

There's a reason why folks quit runnin' NGSPA events and it sure has nothing to do with not loving to watch bird dogs!! :wink:

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by R-Heaton » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:34 am

Hi-N-Kennels wrote:Due to the rules the SD was also drawn the same day & should be under the same rules as the AA
Hank,,, your statement probably came out wrong,,, cause the rules wouldn't say or force you to draw the same day you have to run,,,, its what got the club in trouble in the first place.

And the more I hear the less I understand,,,, could you please run down the basic facts,,,,, what stakes got nullified,,,,, and were both stakes drawn the same day dogs had to run? If both stakes didn't follow the min guidelines,,, yea it would makes sense to treat them the same.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Joe Amatulli » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:47 am

As I was told both the all age and shooting dog were thrown out. When the shooting dog was drawn I do not know, but again the penalty did not fit the crime. If you want to punish the club, fine, but the participants had nothing to do with it. Its like jailing a witness to a murder for not jumping in front of the bullet.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Hi-N-Kennels » Tue Jul 14, 2009 10:50 am

By bad. Yes the SD was drawn & ran on the same day.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by pear » Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:13 pm

Joe Amatulli wrote: Its like jailing a witness to a murder for not jumping in front of the bullet.
Not much different lumping "Ohio Field Trialers" into one group, is it? ..."pear"
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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by R-Heaton » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:14 pm

Joe Amatulli wrote:but again the penalty did not fit the crime. If you want to punish the club, fine, but the participants had nothing to do with it
Thats a tough one Joe,,,anytime you draw at a different time of course the participants that were "in the know" aren't going to complain,,, but how about the people that showed up at the scheduled drawing time and place to find out it was already on its way. In the pointer world it would be like holding a championship then drawing early before Ferril Miller, Robin Gates, Colvin Davis got there entries in,,,, the best dogs might not have been allowed to enter. I'm not taking anything away from Hank and the run his dog must have had,,,, I'm just saying Bernie had to do something and him saying,,,, "was everybody given the same and fair chance to get there entries in and get drawn in a fair way at a stated time and place" if not no championship. Seems about the only thing he could do.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by Joe Amatulli » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:57 pm

Rich yes this is a tough one, but I do not agree that the AF had no choose. Lets look at this dealing with facts, was anyone given an advantage or disadvantage, the answer is NO. Did the dogs that won, win because of any wrong doing, again the answer is NO. Could they have run that afternoon, with the last dog of the previous brace being a bitch in season, again the answer is NO. The fact of the matter is that the only reason that Cliff waited till the fallowing morning to draw it was because he wanted to be above reproach.
All he needed to do is keep his mouth shut, and forget about being second guessed.

Your example of not taking entries from strong compedatives hits home with me, I’ll just say that that is much more flagrant and taking away the championship was NOT the penalty.

Pear What????????????????

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by R-Heaton » Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:20 pm

Yea Joe I keep forgetting it was drawn late not early because nobody showed up to the drawing,,, my bad. We all agree that it sucks for the dogs,, thats for sure,, but it does send out a loud a clear message and precedants,,,,, draw when and where you announce. Now it becomes a no brainer for Bernie and everybody should get treated the same, precedants has been set.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by jim hardin » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:14 pm

I WANT TO TRY TO CLEAR THIS UP. HANK LEWIS RAN HIS DOG IN THE AMATEUR THE SAME MORNING THAT THE ALL AGE STARTED. WE TALKED TO CLIFF MESNARD AND HE STATED THAT THEY WERE AFRAID THE WEATHER WAS GOING TO GET WORSE THE NEXT DAY SO THEY WERE GOING TO START THE ALL AGE THAT SAME DAY IN THE AFTERNOON. SO THEY DID THE DRAWING RIGHT BEFORE THEY STARTED ( ABOUT 30MINUTES BEFORE THE START OF THE STAKE). SINCE TOM DAVIS (WHO IS AN NGSPA BOARD MEMBER) WAS SUPERVISING THE DRAWING HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THIS WAS NOT RIGHT BY THE RULES. AND THEY SAID SINCE HANK LEWIS WASN'T THERE THEY WERE GOING TO DRAW HIM FOR THE NEXT DAY. IT WAS ALWAYS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF YOU ENTERED YOUR DOG YOU WERE DRAWN IN THE ORDER THAT THEY CAME OUT OF THE HAT, NO EXCEPTIONS. SEEING AS HOW HE WAS THERE A SHORT TIME BEFORE THE DRAWING , THIS IS MANIPULATION OF THE DRAWING. I THINK THE AMERICAN FIELD IS TOTALLY RIGHT IN KICKING THIS CHAMPIONSHIP OUT.

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Re: Ohio Championship

Post by R-Heaton » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:31 am

Jim,,, Pm sent

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