GSPCA Nationals... Running order?????**POSTED NOW**

tthaden · Post by **tthaden** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:33 am

Any one know when running order will be posted for Nationals??

tthaden · Post by **tthaden** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:09 am

YIPPEE!!! Its posted now on WWW.GSPCA.ORG

ElhewPointer · Post by **ElhewPointer** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:43 am

Besides a trophy and a ribbon, what kind of purse money is there?

ultracarry · Post by **ultracarry** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:27 am

I think the only prize money is in the futurity.

ElhewPointer · Post by **ElhewPointer** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:40 am

How generous of the AKC. $46,725 in entry fees and that for a payout!!!! Unreal!!! Good luck to all competing.

Post by **ezzy333** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:36 pm

ElhewPointer wrote:How generous of the AKC. $46,725 in entry fees and that for a payout!!!! Unreal!!! Good luck to all competing.

Don't believe AKC gets $46,725. Thge GSPCA will use much of it to cover their expenses would be my guess.

Ezzy

ElhewPointer · Post by **ElhewPointer** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:38 pm

ezzy333 wrote:
ElhewPointer wrote:How generous of the AKC. $46,725 in entry fees and that for a payout!!!! Unreal!!! Good luck to all competing.
Don't believe AKC gets $46,725. Thge GSPCA will use much of it to cover their expenses would be my guess.

Ezzy

That's fine, but someone is making some big money. I don't know what expenses would run almost $50K.

Vonzeppelinkennels · Post by **Vonzeppelinkennels** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:44 pm

I believe Ezzy is correct AKC gets very little if any of that money,GSPCA puts on the trial & collects entry fees it is only sanctioned by AKC.That's my understanding but could be wrong ?
Works about the same as AKC wk end trials only on a much bigger scale.

dan v · Post by **dan v** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:07 pm

The pound of flesh AKC will get will be the $25 event application and the $3.50 on the dogs first entry and $3 on any subsequent entry.

Cajun Casey · Post by **Cajun Casey** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 3:45 pm

You rent a ranch in Kansas for a week or so and see how much change you have.

On a kinder note, good luck to Sonny, Zoey and Kane from their lowbrow relations.

Brooks Carmichael · Post by **Brooks Carmichael** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:21 pm

ElhewPointer wrote:
ezzy333 wrote:
ElhewPointer wrote:How generous of the AKC. $46,725 in entry fees and that for a payout!!!! Unreal!!! Good luck to all competing.
Don't believe AKC gets $46,725. Thge GSPCA will use much of it to cover their expenses would be my guess.

Ezzy

That's fine, but someone is making some big money. I don't know what expenses would run almost $50K.

Vegas Mathiesen, I know you run in the American Field pointer realm and cannot understand why it costs so much. But, I wish you would do a little checking before you start making these statements. In most years, the event is lucky to break even. The cost of rental of the grounds, club house, birds, judges expenses and the list goes on. If it were not for sponsers the event would be in the red almost every year. So, please hold your accusations, nobody is making big money and you need to do a little fact checking before you make these kind of statements.

Post by **ezzy333** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:57 pm

I think most everyone that has anything to do with trialing knows what the money situation is and how hard everyone works trying to find a way to pay the bills. We all need to keep hgelping or there won't be any trial in the future if we can't find a way to bring in more money.
There are just a few people who are looking for every chance they can find to knock the AKC even if they have nothing to do with the problem.

Ezzy

dan v · Post by **dan v** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:23 pm

In round numbers, just access to the grounds (clubhouse and facilities included) is $500/day. And then there's parking. Try that on for the better part of 3 weeks. Birds? I have no idea on how many, chukar as I understand, the GSP club purchases. But they have to be $7-8/bird. The bird bill must be $5-6k.

ElhewPointer · Post by **ElhewPointer** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:19 pm

Brooks, me running American Field pointer realm has zero to do with it. Do a little research yourself and spell my name right next time. As for costs, im well aware of the costs of running a trial. I was the president of a club for 5 years. It is very expensive getting birds, grounds and judges. Heck I remember you judging for us Brooks, and as a "member" you jammed us pretty good for a 1/2 hr stake.

If you take Wyndancer's numbers, you can see why I question it. $11,000 for grounds, $6,000 for birds, 8 judges @ $1,000 for $8,000, hotels for all of them for $2,000, trophies for $4,000. I know that doesn't cover it all by any means. But there is still over $15,000 in the kitty.

It doesn't matter, I was just wondering. I was just trying to help the pros and owners of the dogs out. I couldn't care less. I was just wondering but, it obviously struck a nerve.

There are some awesome dogs entered. Good luck to all of you competing. It would be a heck of an accomplishment to get a piece of it!

Tejas · Post by **Tejas** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 8:31 pm

Looks like our pups are paired in the 7th brace in the futurity Tim. Best of luck. Hope I will be able to make it up for the running.

hustonmc · Post by **hustonmc** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:03 pm

My money is on Aims High Beetle Juice, just saying

ElhewPointer · Post by **ElhewPointer** » Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:22 pm

we should do a calcutta. could be fun.

Brooks Carmichael · Post by **Brooks Carmichael** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:35 am

ElhewPointer wrote:we should do a calcutta. could be fun.

Vagas, did not mean to mispell your name, second let us not get into mudslinging and you are incorrect as to your former club. GSPCA does have a couple of calcutta's.

tthaden · Post by **tthaden** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:45 am

Ken, I hope you can make it up. It is quite a rush watching the young ones run. I will be doing my own handling this year... should be fun... BEST of luck to you and your Belle dog!! AND BEST of luck to ALL who compete. Right now we all have pictures of winning. That is what keeps us competing.

ElhewPointer · Post by **ElhewPointer** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:49 am

tthaden wrote:Ken, I hope you can make it up. It is quite a rush watching the young ones run. I will be doing my own handling this year... should be fun... BEST of luck to you and your Belle dog!! AND BEST of luck to ALL who compete. Right now we all have pictures of winning. That is what keeps us competing.

+1

Post by **ezzy333** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:17 am

How generous of the AKC. $46,725 in entry fees and that for a payout!!!! Unreal!!! Good luck to all competing.

So this is just trying to help out. I have a bridge in brooklyn too.

ElhewPointer wrote:Brooks, me running American Field pointer realm has zero to do with it. Do a little research yourself and spell my name right next time. As for costs, im well aware of the costs of running a trial. I was the president of a club for 5 years. It is very expensive getting birds, grounds and judges. Heck I remember you judging for us Brooks, and as a "member" you jammed us pretty good for a 1/2 hr stake.

If you take Wyndancer's numbers, you can see why I question it. $11,000 for grounds, $6,000 for birds, 8 judges @ $1,000 for $8,000, hotels for all of them for $2,000, trophies for $4,000. I know that doesn't cover it all by any means. But there is still over $15,000 in the kitty.

It doesn't matter, I was just wondering. I was just trying to help the pros and owners of the dogs out. I couldn't care less. I was just wondering but, it obviously struck a nerve.

There are some awesome dogs entered. Good luck to all of you competing. It would be a heck of an accomplishment to get a piece of it!

ElhewPointer · Post by **ElhewPointer** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:38 am

ezzy333 wrote:
How generous of the AKC. $46,725 in entry fees and that for a payout!!!! Unreal!!! Good luck to all competing.
So this is just trying to help out. I have a bridge in brooklyn too.

ElhewPointer wrote:Brooks, me running American Field pointer realm has zero to do with it. Do a little research yourself and spell my name right next time. As for costs, im well aware of the costs of running a trial. I was the president of a club for 5 years. It is very expensive getting birds, grounds and judges. Heck I remember you judging for us Brooks, and as a "member" you jammed us pretty good for a 1/2 hr stake.

If you take Wyndancer's numbers, you can see why I question it. $11,000 for grounds, $6,000 for birds, 8 judges @ $1,000 for $8,000, hotels for all of them for $2,000, trophies for $4,000. I know that doesn't cover it all by any means. But there is still over $15,000 in the kitty.

It doesn't matter, I was just wondering. I was just trying to help the pros and owners of the dogs out. I couldn't care less. I was just wondering but, it obviously struck a nerve.

There are some awesome dogs entered. Good luck to all of you competing. It would be a heck of an accomplishment to get a piece of it!

Yes, as in, find out why there isn't purse money. Just drop it. You guys are right. Im sure you lose money.

Cajun Casey · Post by **Cajun Casey** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:59 am

The GSPCA is an AKC parent club. They do a lot more than put on a field trial. Money from this event, along with money made at the National Specialty, membership dues and other contributions fund things like health research, breed seminars and Juniors programs. Events are not about winning purses, they are about supporting the breed.

ElhewPointer · Post by **ElhewPointer** » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:05 am

Cajun Casey wrote:The GSPCA is an AKC parent club. They do a lot more than put on a field trial. Money from this event, along with money made at the National Specialty, membership dues and other contributions fund things like health research, breed seminars and Juniors programs. Events are not about winning purses, they are about supporting the breed.

I'll start a new thread in General. Good luck to all the dogs.

bhulisa · Post by **bhulisa** » Wed Oct 12, 2011 1:19 am

Good Luck to all at the Nationals, especially GDF members!!!! Trudi

tthaden · Post by **tthaden** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 8:54 am

BAD NEWS!!! Sonny suffered a leg injury Wednesday in a training exercise and will have to be scratched in both the Am and the AA at Nationals. The good news is it does not seem to be serious to the point of permanent. Should be OK in 4-6 weeks of rest. I will be staying home to take care of him and a good friend will run my Futurity dogs.

Elroy's Bandit · Post by **Elroy's Bandit** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 1:04 pm

That is bad news Tim. Sorry to hear that. I wish Sonny a speedy recovery.
Bill L.

Tejas · Post by **Tejas** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 10:32 pm

****, here's wishing him a rapid and complete recovery.

tthaden wrote:BAD NEWS!!! Sonny suffered a leg injury Wednesday in a training exercise and will have to be scratched in both the Am and the AA at Nationals. The good news is it does not seem to be serious to the point of permanent. Should be OK in 4-6 weeks of rest. I will be staying home to take care of him and a good friend will run my Futurity dogs.

doco · Post by **doco** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:38 am

Good luck to all especially our Northeastern Representatives. Do us all proud on this side of the Delaware. Amatulli, Tazza and Lucey, hope you all "lay one down" for the books. Keep us informed. Can't wait to get there next year!

Doc

ultracarry · Post by **ultracarry** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:04 am

Is there going to be a recap on the AKC site like there was for the all breed?

remmy · Post by **remmy** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 2:48 pm

The GSPCA website will have the braces ran but no recap. It will also give call back dogs at the end. That's about it.

dan v · Post by **dan v** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:21 pm

ultracarry wrote:Is there going to be a recap on the AKC site like there was for the all breed?

Odds are that Bonnie Hidalgo, Tom Maneely or Gary Sadler will be there. One of those will have a brace by brace scribe. Likely will trickle out as the ride, and then at the end of the day, compose and post.

northern cajun · Post by **northern cajun** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:15 pm

doco wrote:Good luck to all especially our Northeastern Representatives. Do us all proud on this side of the Delaware. Amatulli, Tazza and Lucey, hope you all "lay one down" for the books. Keep us informed. Can't wait to get there next year!

Doc

+1

ultracarry · Post by **ultracarry** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:32 pm

Wyndancer wrote:
ultracarry wrote:Is there going to be a recap on the AKC site like there was for the all breed?
Odds are that Bonnie Hidalgo, Tom Maneely or Gary Sadler will be there. One of those will have a brace by brace scribe. Likely will trickle out as the ride, and then at the end of the day, compose and post.

That would be great. Then I won't have to be in suspense. I can know what my dog gets picked up for before she gets home

Fieldmaster · Post by **Fieldmaster** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 6:12 pm

Here they have 4 craces of the Amateur to run in the morning. Then I guess they will select those who made it to the second series then will most likely start it tomorrow after lunch.

Robert

Elroy's Bandit · Post by **Elroy's Bandit** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:11 pm

20 dogs called back for the 2nd series which started a short time ago. Good luck to all the dogs, handlers and scouts!!
Bill L.

Dirtysteve · Post by **Dirtysteve** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 3:04 pm

Bill
How did bandit do?
I can't find who they are calling back

lamiller2409 · Post by **lamiller2409** » Thu Oct 20, 2011 5:33 pm

Second series posted at http://www.gspchronicle.com/2011-GSPCA- ... es-AGD.pdf

2011 GSPCA Amateur Gun Dog SECOND SERIES (Name of Dog / Handler)
Brace #1A – Snowy River Sambo Smokin – Chase Verdoorn Brace #1B – Schuster’s Mama’s Girl
Brace #2A – BDK’s Sin City Wild Card – Mike Beach Brace #2B – Short Stuff von Greiwe – Chase Verdoorn
Brace #3A – Tulli’s Sticker Shock – Joe Amatulli Brace #3B – Prairie Wind’s Teton Sage – Don Lee
Brace #4A – Prairies Edge Tippy – Patrick Vande Hei Brace #4B – PFK Dunfur’s Too Sharp – Steve Short
Brace #5A – Foxgloves Reason To Believe – Brian Hill Brace #5B – Windjammer’s Peanut – Terry Zygalinski
Brace #6A – Foxgloves Night On The Town – Brian Hill Brace #6B – Llano’s Tails Aflame – Chad or Joe Inderman
Brace #7A – Caden’s Bandit – Keith Richardson Brace #7B – Snowy River Bad News Biscuit – Chase Verdoorn
Brace #8A – Uodibar’s Fly High Freebird – Hayley Killam Brace #8B – BDK’s Break The Bank – Keith Richardson
Brace #9A – DCR’s Rough Justice – Don Pool Brace #9B – Ike’s Eshod Delight – Scott Bodenstabb
Brace #10A – Mach One’s Smokin Joe – Eric Cook Brace #10B – DCR’s Mojo Rising – Don Pool

Elroy's Bandit · Post by **Elroy's Bandit** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:30 am

Good Luck to the 20 dogs, handlers, scouts, & owners called back to the 2nd series. Here's hoping that all 20 dogs have the best runs of their lives today!!
Bill L.

doco · Post by **doco** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:38 am

Elroy's Bandit wrote:Good Luck to the 20 dogs, handlers, scouts, & owners called back to the 2nd series. Here's hoping that all 20 dogs have the best runs of their lives today!!
Bill L.

+10 Bill, One of the nicest things I've seen on this board. Nothing to read into, just a very classy statement!

Especially to my Buddy Joe Amatulli. Bring it back home to the East Joe!

Doc

dan v · Post by **dan v** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:18 am

I'm sure Bill's sentiment is quite genuine....but he does have a dog in the second series.

ultracarry · Post by **ultracarry** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:57 am

Congrats on bandit making the second series bill!

markj · Post by **markj** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:04 pm

I gota root for tippy here

go tippy you can do it!!

northern cajun · Post by **northern cajun** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 1:21 pm

Hope all do lay down a good one but I am rooting for Joe and Millie!!

Cajun Casey · Post by **Cajun Casey** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 2:30 pm

Biscuit and Chase.

Highland Gundogs · Post by **Highland Gundogs** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:45 pm

Ziggy wins with Peanut.

proudag08 · Post by **proudag08** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 4:55 pm

Do we know any of the other placements? I hope Dee and Scott did well!

Crestonegsp · Post by **Crestonegsp** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 6:17 pm

http://www.gspchronicle.com/

Windjammer's Peanut wins GSPCA Amatuer Gun Dog Championship. Owner/Handler: Terry Zygalinski

2nd - NAFC NAGDC FC AFC Prairie's Edge Tippy
Owner/Handler: Patrick Vande Hei

3rd Place - Foxgloves Reason To Believe
Owner: Brian Hill & Karen Niffenegger Handler: Brian Hill

4th Place - Snow River Sambo Smoken
Owner: Mark & Chase VErdoorn Handler: Chase Verdoorn

JAM - LLano's Tails Aflame

Elroy's Bandit · Post by **Elroy's Bandit** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:24 pm

Big Congrats to everyone that placed!..... Well Done!

Bill L.

wannabe · Post by **wannabe** » Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:42 pm

Congratulations to Ziggy, Pat, Brian, and Chase !!!