GSPCA NFT

remmy · Post by **remmy** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 2:36 pm

Can someone tell me what qualifies a dog for the GSPCA NFT in Eureka?

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:08 pm

It varies from stake to stake a little.

An FC or AFC will qualify a dog for any of the broke dog stakes.

After that it gets complicated. For the Am. stake, a dog qualifies if in the prior year it has placed first in a three or four point Gun Dog stake, or first or second in a five point Gun Dog stake. The qualifying stake can be an Open or Am. stake as long as the handler is an Am.

For the Open Gun Dog, a dog qualifies if in the prior year it has placed first in a three or four point Open Gun Dog or Open Limited Gun Dog stake, or first or second in a five point stake.

For the All Age, a dog qualifies if in the prior year it has placed first in a two point All Age, or first second or third in a three point or better All Age.

The Futurity has special nomination requirements.

Dave Quindt · Post by **Dave Quindt** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:10 pm

I'm going from memory here, but I'm pretty sure this is accurate. Kent Harter is the secretary for this year's NFC; you can email him at jahkah@aol.com to confirm all of this.

For the National Open Gundog Ch:

1st in an 3pt OGD or OLDG, 1st in a 4pt OGD or OLDG, 1st or 2nd in a 5pt OGD or OLDG. Placement must be within the last year (since the close of last year's NFC entries). Or FC of record.

For the National Amateur CH:

1st in an 3pt AGD or ALDG, 1st in a 4pt AGD or ALDG, 1st or 2nd in a 5pt AGD or ALGD. Placement must be within the last year (since the close of last year's NFC entries). Or FC or AFC of record.

For the National Open All Age Championship:

1st in a 2pt AAA, ALAA, OAA, OLAA or 1st, 2nd or 3rd in a 3, 4 or 5 pt AAA, ALAA, OAA, OLAA. Placement must be within the last year (since the close of last year's NFC entries). Or FC of record.

For the National Futurity;
The litter must be nominated following the futurity rules, and the individual dog must be renominated following the futurity rules. Owner must be a member of the GSPCA (I think).

DNA profiles must be on record with the AKC at the time of drawing for all stakes, including the futurity.

Hope this helps,
Dave

remmy · Post by **remmy** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 3:50 pm

Thanks.

One more question. The DNA profile has to be on record? I have a DNA profile with AF and just submitted a transfer to AKC recently...did not get a cert or response back yet. That will not be good enough if I don't receive a response by Oct?

Blue Dawn Kennel · Post by **Blue Dawn Kennel** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 5:22 pm

Remmy~ Know if your DNA is pending w/ AKC you can call and they'll give you a number to use till yours is complete. But DNA definately has to be done/approved if dog places and if not done, title or placements I believe will be voided, that'd be a bad way to loose a big one. I'd be getting w/ AKC's DNA dept. pronto and get it all in order as will have to go on entry form(s) when sent in to be drawn. Dave, Kent is the GSPCA secretary (his 2nd yr. now.)

Dave Quindt · Post by **Dave Quindt** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:49 pm

Remmy,

Robbi's right; you can get a "temporary" number when the AKC receives the DNA profile and use that until the permanent number is assigned. In this case, I'd hold off on asking the AKC for a temporary number for a few weeks. You may get the real # in time to place on your entry for Eureka. Entries closed 9/26 last year to give you an idea of when they need to be in the mail (I'd Fed-Ex them, no signature required). Do you have the running order of the stakes?

One correction from my previous post; a FC OR AFC qualifies you for any of the broke dog stakes. Also, remember that you can only run 1 of the open stakes (either the Open Gun or the Open All Age) along with the Amateur; you can't run all 3 with the same dog.

Robbi,

Yeah, I was typing too fast for my brain. I know Kent is the trial sec; it was the qualifications that were coming from memory

FWIW,
Dave

lvrgsp · Post by **lvrgsp** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 6:53 pm

Guru Dave,

Do you know if you have a dog that is qualified to run in broke dog stake, and was also nominated for the futurity, can you run them both?

Chip

Dave Quindt · Post by **Dave Quindt** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 7:01 pm

By rule, a dog is only prohibited from running in BOTH the Open Gun and Open All Age Championships. Any other combo of stakes is allowed. The dog that Dave King won the Futurity with last year also ran in the Open All Age a few days later.

FYI,
Dave

remmy · Post by **remmy** » Mon Aug 20, 2007 8:03 pm

I just read my letter from the AKC DNA Kit. It stated because it's a transfer (already have DNA profile for AF) I'll have a DNA cert and number within 2 or 3 weeks. That means I should have it by next week, hopefully.

I don't have the running order yet...I believe OGD is first, which is what my dog would be running. I'm still waiting for the premium.

Thanks for all you help!

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 10:30 am

You need to have the number by the deadline for submitting entries, which is in the end of September. They will not accept an entry without a DNA number. In other words, it is not good enough to say that your DNA number is pending at the AKC.

Dave Quindt · Post by **Dave Quindt** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:08 pm

remmy wrote: I don't have the running order yet...I believe OGD is first, which is what my dog would be running. I'm still waiting for the premium.

Thanks for all you help!

That is incorrect. The Open Gun will run last. The order of stakes is as follows:

Amateur Championship
Futurity
Open All Age Championship
Open Gundog Championship

The trial starts on the 15th of October. When the Open Gun will start depends on the number of entries in the stakes and the weather. The Amateur usually runs 5-6 days. Futurity can run 2-3 1/2 days, All Age usually 2 1/2 to 4 days. The Amateur and the Futurity seem to move along pretty well. We seem to always get some weather during the All Age and Open Gun, which slow things down.

The Open Gun usually starts anywhere from the 2nd Friday through the 3nd Monday. Once the trial is drawn the trial secretary sends a postcard out to all entrants letting them know the estimated dates the stakes will run.

If you are planning on seeing your dog run in the National Open Gun, make sure to give yourself flexability in your scheduling.

FYI,
Dave

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Tue Aug 21, 2007 3:10 pm

The population at the trial varies as the trail goes on. there are a lot of people there for the Amateur, and lots of good parties. Lots for the Futurity too. A little less for the All Age, but still many there. By the time it comes to the end of the OGD it is mostly just the pros, and even they are ready to go home. It is a long trial.

Blue Dawn Kennel · Post by **Blue Dawn Kennel** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:25 pm

John you said that they won't except if DNA results are pending at AKC, that is what I have been told in the past and done in the past. Oh well guess if they don't take those that might be in the middle of being processed oh well. Robbi

snips · Post by **snips** » Tue Sep 11, 2007 9:50 pm

I emailed them for a temp no for the NSS Hunt Test and they were right back with it, if that works for the FT as well...

Hotpepper · Post by **Hotpepper** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 10:27 am

I sent in two swabs a couple of months ago and had not gotten them back. Wrote a letter to AKC DNA department and got 2 number back within a week. If you need to get that done, get it in the mail right away.\

Pepper

remmy · Post by **remmy** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 11:00 am

Got my DNA # today!! I guess the DNA transfer is a lot quicker than an actual DNA Profile. It only took 3 weeks like they said.

Wagonmaster · Post by **Wagonmaster** » Wed Sep 12, 2007 12:16 pm

Boy, I took a look at the website and read through the entry premium. It is confusing. The website says the entry cut-off is Sept. 25th, but the premium says it is the 26th. I sent mine in already, so I don't care. But I would get the entry in as soon as possible, for anyone who has not done so.

The qualification period has also changed so that it starts Oct. 1 of the prior year, so presumably runs until Oct. 1. Can't really tell. So how do you enter a dog that qualifies on Oct. 1, if the entry cut-off is Sept. 25 or 6???

They do have a banner running on the website that emphasizes the fact that all entries must have a DNA number.