Let's talk about Electronic Collars.....

[BluffCountryOutdoors]

So, now my pup is 10 Months old I need to get a Electronic Collar for him.. Cost is one thing on my mind.. I'm back in college and cost is now more of an issue.... I'll throw down a couple hundred dollars but not 350 - 400.

Innotek, dogtra .. all the others.. SO,

From any of your experiences... which ones do you like... do some have too many features.. how bout the basics?

Thanks for any help on this topic guys!

Michael & Odin

[Karen]

go to www.collarclinic.com and get yourself a refurbed basic Tritronics Pro 100 for $199. If you have more to spend, look at the other refurbs.

[upland-o]

some people may knock it but I got a sportdog field trainer 400 as a gift a wlittle while ago and it works great for me, I know there are some people here who dont like them and are loyal TT fans, me being one of them, but when I recieved this gift I was impressed by its performance and its 160 price tag

[kninebirddog]

The tri Tronics G3 collars are competitively priced to other collars
closer range working collars but good for the average hunter with an IC Influentials discount which You can PM me for the details on how to order directly from Tri tronics and get the 10 percent off the G3 range from about 245 - 355 set up for one dog depending on which model

The Classic 70 EXP is about 324.00 set up for 1 dog

both the above collars you can add a dog to
http://www.tritronics.com

the Pro 100 EXP is about 447.00

the easier the collar the better...fancy functoons sound great but are often hardly used in any practical application

anything that makes you ahve to stop and switch to attain what ever new thing you want is a waste of time in correction

make it light make it simple

[kninebirddog]

Thing about the 400 is doesn't have the strength if your in any cover...and I have yet to see one really work to 400 yards...they are fiine for household training but have seen this a couple times in the last few years where the dog learned if it got our far enough that the collar didn't work

that is the biggest thing where i do not reccomend the close range collars...mostly because if you are in thicker areas of trees it severly restricts the signal and adversly cuts down an already limited range collar

[natetnc]

hook us up with a little more info on how/what you will be using it for and i bet you will get a better idea of what you will need.

range?
expandable or 1 dog?
beeper control?
rechargable batteries on transmitter?
levels of stimulation (cont or nick preferance)?
waterproof receiver/transmitter?


i started out with a sportdog 1200, a great collar for the $, i paid $100. it still works but has some features i am outgrowing. it is basic 8 levels of cont and momentary, 3/4mi range, limited beeper control, limited 2 dog capabilities, waterproof receiver, wtr resistant transmitter. i like to think of it as the ultimate budget collar. it has worked well for an intro collar and i will keep it as an emergency back up. if you plan on upgrading later this may be an option, something cheap and functional.

[BluffCountryOutdoors]

hey guys,

It's for one dog... Mostly a duck hunter. I do pheasant and grouse hunt as well. I would like to have either a Vibrate or Beep feature so that I don't have to always shock... Im not really a fan of shock collars but realizing that it's a pretty important tool to have when training.

I guess 100 yds is enough for me. Waterproof would be a must just because of duck hunting, but if you have the e-collar to train with then why would you have to use it when your hunting.. haha.. I know.. I understand why you would.

Whats beter - Transmitter or recharchagble ?

Thanks,

Mikey & Odin

[kninebirddog]

thing is the lower levels of stimualtion that the newer collars have out now a days have less stimulation value then those vibrate collars

and it isn't about shocking a dog

if taught it is like when your getting someones attention and tapping them on the shoulder some respond to a light touch and some need a little harder tap...but most dogs once they are trained and in the reps of everything ..sometimes need a single reminder and never again that day

When I guide and have to cue my dog to come around ...a client will never know when i have cued with the e collar unless my dog is really acting up and requires that one good attention getting tap for the most part When and If it is very light

the old collars with higher levels were shocking but technology has come a long ways

but with that said the tri tronics has buzz feature on the G3 and beep on the g2

[natetnc]

I would like to have either a Vibrate or Beep feature so that I don't have to always shock... Im not really a fan of shock collars

with that said i would get one without the tone or buzz. my reasoning - i got one with the tone for the same reason and i ended up using the tone a little too often, i started training with the stimulation, once she started listening a little better i gave her the tone a couple times before i would give her the stimulation. it took me a while to break what i had done, i would get delayed reactions on my commands or she would test me to see if i would do it. i now use stimulation only and it works great, to be honest i probably give her less stimulation now then i did before because now she listens and listens quickly. if you give the stimulation at the right level, like k9 said, most people will not even know you gave the correction.

if you haven't already i would look up some threads on e-collar use and conditioning.

-nate

[BluffCountryOutdoors]

Yeah, I've been peeking at a bunch of them.. thanks for the info guys.

Mikey & Odin

[natetnc]

meant to say, i would get both a rechargable transmitter and receiver. my transmitter is powered by a 9V, they get expensive after a while and you never know when they are getting low enough to effect the range. speaking of range no less than 1/2mile imo.

[BluffCountryOutdoors]

Hey again,

Im thinking of buying the Dogtra 200 NCP gold 1.

It's waterproof, works up to half a mile, has the vibrate feature also has the rechargeable battery,...

IF anyone has used this collar and has any experience with it and would like to share, please do.

Thanks,

Michael & Odin

[natetnc]

viewtopic.php?f=89&t=12544

same collar just the 2 dog model

[BluffCountryOutdoors]

Thanks for the info guys,


I really like the collar website from new to refirbished gear as well. I'll be checking out collars this week.

Later guys,

Michael & Odin

[jbr03]

i have a TT G3 basic setup. it was the first collar i had ever bought and after using my friends G2 i wish i would have spent the extra and gotten the extra range and i also like the transmitter better than the small G3. but if you are just going duck hunting you could get away with the G3. really i recommend any tri tronics product. my dog has chewed the heck out of the reciever and transmitter, i have left the collar on the bumper of my truck where it fell off 2 miles down the road at a drive thru ATM where there is tons of traffic. i had a sticker that i got from LCS that made it possible to have it returned to me once found. when i got it back it was definately beat up and had been run over, but it still works like a champ! thats quality!

[Chaingang]

Hey again,

Im thinking of buying the Dogtra 200 NCP gold 1.

It's waterproof, works up to half a mile, has the vibrate feature also has the rechargeable battery,...

IF anyone has used this collar and has any experience with it and would like to share, please do.

Thanks,

Michael & Odin

Mike, Dogtra has a good reputation as a dependable collar with good customer service. I have a Dogtra 2002 T&B (Not the model you referenced) and I am very happy with the dependability and durability that it offers. The rechargeable collar and transmitter will last on a single charge forever (ridiculously long). Some of the newer models have 2 hour charging time. Mine is a couple years old and takes 16 hours to recharge from completely dead, but it lasts so long that it is just not a bother.

Tritronics is another quality unit and for the features you want, either one would be a top choice. Price may be the deciding factor.

[BluffCountryOutdoors]

Tom,

Thanks for the heads up. I was looking at that 200 and it semed pretty basic. I tried all the levels of stimulation on myself. 100 was a bit of a jolt but not too bad. I did like the Vibration feature.

Would it be better to get something a little higher end first, so that you only have ONE good solid collar?

besides being waterproof and a vibrate or beep feature as well as stimulation, what really seperates the Really good from the ok?

Thanks again,

[natetnc]

if you go with a higher end collar you may want to look into multi dog units, never know when that new addition will come along

[gar-dog]

I was just on Lion Country Supply and they have the Tritronics Sport Basic G3 for $239. You also get free shipping and some other goodies. I have the Sport Upland and think it's just great. It is made in America and you can just see the quality in the look and feel - buttons, dials, etc.
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[Chaingang]

Tom,

Thanks for the heads up. I was looking at that 200 and it seemed pretty basic. I tried all the levels of stimulation on myself. 100 was a bit of a jolt but not too bad. I did like the Vibration feature.

Would it be better to get something a little higher end first, so that you only have ONE good solid collar?

besides being waterproof and a vibrate or beep feature as well as stimulation, what really separates the Really good from the ok?

Thanks again,

With Dogtra there really aren't any just ok collars, they are all quality units and their customer service will stand by their product. Higher end units are all about more bells and whistles within the Dogtra brand. Ask yourself what will be the main purpose for the collar. Training mainly? Hunting with occasional training etc... For Pointing breeds I like to have a beeper collar to locate the dog in heavy cover. I have two dogs hence I have a two-dog unit.

If your mainly a waterfowler then a basic unit should suffice. Find one with at least half mile advertised range. If you find the vibrate function to your liking then stick with it. I kind of wish my model had the vibrate option as that in itself can be a great training tool. Compare the Tritronics and Dogtra side by side for the features that interest you, then dicide. Regardless of price, pick the one that fits your needs the best.

[Windyhills]

One thing higher end units give you that some people (I'm one) think is an absolute necessity is reasonable actual working range. Those 1/3 and 1/2 mile collars won't give you anywhere near that actual working range in actual hunting conditions. My dogs don't work much further out than a few hundred yards at most in wide open country, but I'll never own a collar rated for less than 1-mile again. I've seen how much shorter their range can be in heavy cover. If your dog is a very close worker the shorter range collars would be fine IMO.

And I'll probably start to get a reputation here but my personal experience with the new dogtra 2500 series was bad, very bad, and I have heard similar reports from others I trust. They did right be me eventually but I would avoid that one for awhile until they get the bugs worked out.

[Chaingang]

And I'll probably start to get a reputation here but my personal experience with the new dogtra 2500 series was bad, very bad, and I have heard similar reports from others I trust. They did right be me eventually but I would avoid that one for awhile until they get the bugs worked out.

I've heard some things also that were not encouraging, and was told to hang on to my 2002 T&B.

[TheShadow]

...And I'll probably start to get a reputation here but my personal experience with the new dogtra 2500 series was bad, very bad, and I have heard similar reports from others I trust. They did right be me eventually but I would avoid that one for awhile until they get the bugs worked out.

I was talking to the sales guy at Cabela's dog dept and he runs a report once a month to see what collars are selling, which ones are being shipped back to the return center, which ones are being returned/exchanged.

The collar that moves the most is the Pro 200 G2 & Flyway G2. Slowest selling is the Pro 500 G2 & Pro 100 G2. Field 70/90s don’t move much. Says maybe 6 TT units were returned since he started working there in December for reasons of “Purchased wrong unit” whatever that means. He thinks probably buyers remorse. He said 4 G3 Units were returned for defects of “Rotary Dial”. He says Inno-tek barely moves off the shelf. Sportdog sd400 seem to be purchased by a lot of pet dog owners and the rest of their line sells slow. DT Systems sells decent but he noted a lot of returns on this brand. Dogtra moves almost as fast as the TT but he did mention that model specifically as one that got returned a lot for both defects or exchange for a TT Pro G2 unit.

He said TT all the way as the sales reps have come into the store to demo their products and were extremely helpful to customers. Said they sincerely wanted to help. Dogtra came once but wasn't very helpful he said.

I almost went Dogtra last year but the guy I knew who had one told me that he liked it a lot at first but as time went on felt TT is the only way to go…

[natetnc]

dang, i was looking into the 2502. i really liked the compact size including the beeper. my sd unit with tt beeper looks big on my brit and i was looking to decrease size and weight on her with my new investment.

anyone else have opinions on the dogtra 2502?

*edit*: not discounting any info already given just looking for others who have had similar/different experiences to see if there are any consistencies.

[Chaingang]

I think it's just a few bugs here and there and being a new product it may take a bit for them to sort it out. Have heard nothing specific other than some claims about the beeper. The beeper is now located under the dogs neck and have heard some claims that it is not nearly as audible as when compared with it's predecessor the 2000 T&B. It does have some nice new features if they get this thing on track. I was told by a Pro Staffer who I purchased my 2002 from, to hold on to it for the time being. I'll see if I can find out anything more on what's being done.

[natetnc]

i expected the decrease in audible range with the beeper being at a less than optimal location, i can deal with that as i have a fairly close working dog. please post or pm if you find out any details on this unit (2502). i looked (online) at the 2002tb and the beeper didn't look like it would take much abuse, that is the reason i skipped on that one. can you comment on the 2002 beeper (waterproof? audible?)

[Chaingang]

i expected the decrease in audible range with the beeper being at a less than optimal location

Probably less optimal for you but more optimal for the dog.


ON the two dog (2002) you get a orange collar and a black collar. The beeper on each emit different tones so you know which is which when in the field. Very durable unless the dog chews on it... ON mine the black collar emits a higher pitch and is actually heard (by my ears) at a longer range. The orange collar emits a lower tone pitch, although easily heard at moderate ranges, is not quite as audible at extreme ranges as the black collar. I say extreme ranges as the claims are 400 yards. Well... I don't know about 400 yards, but it will carry quite a ways. Obviously if it's windy it will carry less, but they are very audible at moderate to close ranges. They are waterproof, and my dogs have been in the water with them on, so far have had no issues.

The beeper has a couple different operating modes: Silent running/point only... or beep every 10 seconds then every second when on point. There is also a LOCATE button for quick location with or without the beeper being activated. But as I've ranted on before, the best thing about this collar is the seemingly endless battery life on a single charge. It's like the the eveready bunny. It's keeps going.... and going... and going..

[Windyhills]

I think it's just a few bugs here and there and being a new product it may take a bit for them to sort it out. Have heard nothing specific other than some claims about the beeper.

Much more than that, although the beeper loudness is one thing they may not be able to fix, with that design having the horn pointing into the ground below the dog. A # of 2500 collars were shipped with bad batteries. My first 2500 series was one of them. Subsequent replacement and another replacement for the replacement also had either battery problems or intermittent functioning--i.e., you push the button once, nothing happens. Next time, it works. I could go into details about the jack rabbit my pup chased for 100 yards before the collar finally worked just before the pup was heading onto a road, how impossible it is to use training methods requireing an e-collar with a unit that works one time but not the next...just ain't something that creates a happy customer.

But like I said they eventually were good to me. Their collars before this one had many accolades from amateurs and pros that I have talked to, and their service was also quite good. They really came on and shook up the industry with their new technological advances and lower pricing some years back. I won't say anything bad about the company per se, just want to warn about this new collar right now.

The 2000 series waterproof question? I know of a number of dogs who spend a great deal of time in the water with that model on--they are completely waterproof in my experience.

[Chaingang]

Windy,

Upon learning more, those are the same problems almost to a "T" that I am hearing. That and their intolerance to cold weather which seems to stem from an inferior battery as well. I hope they get this thing right and restore the consumer confidence they had with 2000 series. I suspect as with many other businesses looking to save a buck, that subcontracting for manufactured parts to places like China is more and more becoming the norm.

[natetnc]

after researching some of the problems associated with the 2500 series and hearing some of your experiences i have decided against it. i have been looking at the DT SPT 2430, i do not know that much about DT collars or their customer service but the reviews i have read were good. with that said i am really interested in hearing your thoughts on both DT systems and the specific collar in question.

for those who are thinking, "why doesn't he quit beating around the bush and get a tt". my main reason is i don't think the tt beeper fits my dog well. the collars in my $ range only offer 6 levels of continuous, my dog responds to low levels, i don't want 1 to be too light and 2 to burn her up. not to say i won't end up with a tt just letting you guys know why i am exploring all of the other options.

[BluffCountryOutdoors]

Would you use a waterproof collar in the field when pheasant hunting?

Should you buy two different collars when being in the water vs. the field?

or can you just use the waterproof ecollar for both with no problems?

thanks...

Mikey & Odin

Like how I just said the same thing 3 times?.

[gonehuntin']

I've stayed out of this so far, but here's my take. You buy the best possible collar you can that will do all of the things you want. I would get a TTPro 100. It's got a mile range, water proof, variable intensity, momentary or continuous, charges from the car or home.

The worst and most foolish money you will ever spend is on a collar that doesn't do what you want. A collar will last you virturally a lifetime. TT will just keep rebuilding them and bringing them to current technologies at a very reasonable price. Don't be penny wise and dollar foolish.

[natetnc]

You buy the best possible collar you can that will do all of the things you want. I would get a TTPro 100. It's got a mile range, water proof, variable intensity, momentary or continuous, charges from the car or home.

that is why i am asking questions about other brands/collars. tt does not do all of the things i want. i want more than 6 levels of continuous stimulation. the only tt that has that and 1+ mile range is the pro 500. that is where the $ situation kicks in, i cant justify spending nearly $900 on an e-collar (for the full set up).

[natetnc]

Would you use a waterproof collar in the field when pheasant hunting?

most receivers on e-collars these days are waterproof, not all have the waterproof transmitters. if buying a new collar i would get a unit that is totally waterproof just in case something happens.

Should you buy two different collars when being in the water vs. the field?

there are a lot of versatile collars out there for the water/field dog. most beepers are waterproof. some suggest if your dog spends a lot of time in the water (duck/pheasant dog) but still hunts in the field with a beeper to but a collar that has a detachable beeper.

[gonehuntin']

You buy the best possible collar you can that will do all of the things you want. I would get a TTPro 100. It's got a mile range, water proof, variable intensity, momentary or continuous, charges from the car or home.

that is why i am asking questions about other brands/collars. tt does not do all of the things i want. i want more than 6 levels of continuous stimulation. the only tt that has that and 1+ mile range is the pro 500. that is where the $ situation kicks in, i cant justify spending nearly $900 on an e-collar (for the full set up).

I don't know how you could possible spend $900.00 on a full setup? Actually the collars all have 12 levels of stimulation, not six and that is far more than enough to train any dog with.

The Pro100 is $447.00. Add a beeper and it's $99.00 more. Add a second collar and it's $130.00. Otherwise, it comes with charger, case and manual. I don't know how you're running the price up to $900.00.

[natetnc]

I don't know how you could possible spend $900.00 on a full setup? Actually the collars all have 12 levels of stimulation, not six and that is far more than enough to train any dog with.

The Pro100 is $447.00. Add a beeper and it's $99.00 more. Add a second collar and it's $130.00. Otherwise, it comes with charger, case and manual. I don't know how you're running the price up to $900.00.

the classic 70 and 90 both only have 6 levels. the 90 has 6 con + 6 momentary but still just 6 levels. i train with continuous, i don't really use the momentary so the only trainers that i am interested in are the pro 100 and 500. some lighter dogs need more levels that are low, i am not sure the 6 levels would give me that.


you are right about the pro 100, i didn't see until later that the pro 100 had the 18 levels i wanted at the time of this post i was speaking of the pro 500 adding two beepers and another collar with some change left over for misc stuff (510+100+130+100).

[TheShadow]

i do not know why but i can't tell you how many guys purchase "x brand" collar and use it for 6mo-1yr and all of a sudden pony up and buy a TT "tube". And a lot of them say, "I should have just bought the TT to begin with".

Just look at your needs and budget. It might just be worth it to just get a Pro 100 G2 EXP set up and be done with it... I personally have a 500 G2 EXP (1 dog) and granted I doubt I'd ever need this much diversity in stimulation (heck I never turn the dail past 3) but I have it and plan on keeping this tool for my next pup in another few years. TT will last. Good luck!

[Karen]

Several years ago I bought the DT 7302 (2 dog system, 50 levels of stim, nic & continuous, vibrate, built in beeper)...think I paid around $500 for it. GREAT collar, loved it. It honestly had too many features. I never used the beeper collar portion of it, never used vibrate, and never had it on 2 dogs at a time. I sold it and bought a Tri-Tronics Flyway G2 as a refurb for $300 (I think) and haven't looked back.

[natetnc]

It might just be worth it to just get a Pro 100 G2 EXP set up and be done with it...

decided on this unit yesterday. waiting on a reply about a discount, will order after i hear back. right now LCS is in the lead with $447, a $10 coupon, and free shipping, anyone found it for cheaper?

[gonehuntin']

Glad you settled on that collar; I've used them for years and just had an old one updated for $200.00. Personally, I always get a two dog unit. These day's, I am down to one dog but what you will find is that the transmitter rarely goes bad, it's usually the collar. By owning a two dog, while one is being repaired, the other can be in use. Probably not really worth the $130.00, it's just that if something can go wrong, it will go wrong during hunting season.

[phermes1]

that is why i am asking questions about other brands/collars. tt does not do all of the things i want. i want more than 6 levels of continuous stimulation. the only tt that has that and 1+ mile range is the pro 500. that is where the $ situation kicks in, i cant justify spending nearly $900 on an e-collar (for the full set up).

I believe the Sport G3 series has 10 levels of stimulation. The G3 combo has 20 when you consider the high-low buttons for each setting. Pretty affordable, too.

[natetnc]

that is why i am asking questions about other brands/collars. tt does not do all of the things i want. i want more than 6 levels of continuous stimulation. the only tt that has that and 1+ mile range is the pro 500. that is where the $ situation kicks in, i cant justify spending nearly $900 on an e-collar (for the full set up).

I believe the Sport G3 series has 10 levels of stimulation. The G3 combo has 20 when you consider the high-low buttons for each setting. Pretty affordable, too.

note the 1+ mile range part, otherwise i like the G3. once i started digging i find a few that were disspleased with the dial setting for the stimulation though.

[TheShadow]

I believe the Sport G3 series has 10 levels of stimulation. The G3 combo has 20 when you consider the high-low buttons for each setting. Pretty affordable, too.

This was my first collar and I have to say as much as I liked it that rotary dail just wasn't cutting it. The rotary dail became a spin dail and was not locking in place. I'd put it in my pocket and the dail spun to 5 and i shocked my dog and from then on I had to really watch the dail. I had it hanging around my neck and again with all the stuff on the lanyard shotgun, etc... i started to get frustrated. I know 3 other guys who bought the G3 that also had the same problem with the dail spinning freely. One sent it back to TT but when he got it back (very fast btw) the dail went back to spinning after two months. The other 2 guys sold them and stepped up to the "tube"

Anyone else hear of the dail problem? Other than that it is a soild transmitter, compact also! Its a 1/2mi range vs 1mi range of the "tube". In cover this dramatically changes. I just didn't like the set up and the stim levels work a tad differently than the "tubes". So i stepped up to the Pro 100 G2 and then sold that to a good friend who wanted one badly and then just bought the Pro 500 G2 EXP as the be all end all. Never going to look at anything else but TT. But this 500 should last a pretty darn long time...

heck i met a guy in the field that still uses a Judge+! And I meet quite a few guys that own XLs and XLS that came out in 2000. 8yrs and still working strong. You won't be sorry with the Pro 100!

[kninebirddog]

the g3 i have i have literally rotated the dial back and forth on purpose ..yes it has lossened some but still goes into posistion and doesn't just roll out

it was actually too tight at first but even the sportdog i have.the dial has done the same thing but the numbers have worn off the sportdog sent it in they sent me a new one it didn't work out of the box past 25 feet sent that back in they sent me another same thing they finally sent me one that worked and little over a year later the charge won't last but 1 week ....

that was the final straw when i went back completely to tritronics and proudly became a tri tronic influentials member because after going through dt dogra sportdog i was always thankful i had a tri tronics as my go to collar to when the others failed me...i tried to give other a chance cause TT was pricey...but when one collar lasts through 5 other collars over 7 years...that says a lot right there just what was the real cost of the one after year 6 i did have to replace the battery

[natetnc]

just curious, when did tri tronics come out with the G2 series?

[TheShadow]

just curious, when did tri tronics come out with the G2 series?

i'm thinking it was back in 2005? Its sorta new but of course their best design yet.

a guy was telling me that he remembered when TT came out with being able to change 5 levels of intensity through the transmitter and how that was like a HUGE deal since you could do the low/med/high. That was around 1999 or 2000 i think? Before that you had to change it by the plugs on the collar i beleive. I know a guy that bought his Judge + in 1992 and it still works today. He had to ship it back to TT for batt replacements and minor adjustments to the knob but it still works. Another guy I know has a TT 100 Lite that was purchased in 1997 and the thing only had 3 levels that could be changed at the transmitter. He said at that time it was really good to not have an external antenna on the collar but it had poor range. Not sure how it worked.

[phermes1]

Stupid question from a guy who's never used an e-collar - how often do you find it necessary to correct your dog from a substantial distance? 1/2 mile, 1 mile, whatever.

I understand that the advertised range is usually significantly greater than the actual range, of course. Just curious either way.

[kninebirddog]

the longer ranges really come in to play more with the terrain...as the 1 mile range is clear line of sight no obstructions

more interfernce less distance so if you are already starting off with a close range collar it will quickly shorten when you are in bushy or heavy trees

then as for use...when you have a dog on the chase of unwanted quarry the two will come in handy cause if your in thicker cover the 1/2 mile collar will quickly be short on distance when you hear your dog on the yip yip run in full chase

[TheShadow]

better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it (range or my friend who is a fed that carries off duty likes to say that phrase)

i personally think 1mi is overkill because my dog will never ever be that far from me. but i have talked to guys who have claimed that their 1/2mi range collars stop working in heavy cover or rocky/hilly areas. Not often but it happens. Only one guy said his dog just out of the blue bolted and by the time he reached for his transmitter his dog was way out in heavy cover and his Dogtra did not work and he had to run towards where his dog bolted off (never knew why) and finally it worked. And his dog was very well trained so it was suprising that he just upped off and bolted after something even when he was shouting for him to come in. So anything can happen.

[BluffCountryOutdoors]

Hey all,

Just got back from Gander Mountain. I talked with the guy there and we talked about all the e collars for about an hour.

I was into either the dogtra 200NC or the Tri Tronics Combo G3 or something like that. I like the them. He said the DT were newer ... but they make launchers.. so how new to E collars can they be?

for 200 bucks the Dogtra seems like a better deal.. but for only 60 more dollars the TT has both a waterproof transmitter and reciever. So you know.. I guess also the TT seem to have a better name with all the posts in this thread. I don't need to get some crazy fancy collar, but within those two I seem to have everything I need....

Ok guys.. If anyone has any experience with the TT or the Dogtra.. give me a holler with your thoughts.

Michael & Odin