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I have to agree about the socilaition process although they have a program in place. However, depending how may litters they have a year who knows how much time they have for them. They also have about a hundred dogs so I am curious how much those dogs get out and really hunt! I also would like to know more about the pedigrees and hunting or hunt tests they do with their dogs if any. Since they have SOO MANY dogs they cant put them all on the internet is my guess. Since they breed for dual setters they do have the look of a show dog and apparently the hunting ability of a field dog. I do like looks which might be suprising to some since I have DD's. However, I would not want a really slow dog in the field. On the other hand I am not looking for a field trail dog either. Looking forward to planning a time to go there though. Defiantely something worth seeing. Just how expensive are we talking for a puppy? From what I have read I am thinking they might have different price ranges depnding on what two dogs are being breed.gar-dog wrote:The setters they breed don't really look like the setters you are probably used to seeing. I believe it is a heavy line-bred version to keep a specific older style intact. You could possibly argue it is its own breed. I looked into them about a year ago but never made it over there. Their dogs are very expensive too. These setters are large, lopey dogs. It sounds like they are ideal for the foot huunter - reminiscent of how a spinone italiano works.
Their facility is huge and they do a lot of advertising, so they have to charge alot. Given the size of the operation, I would want to get comfortable about the socialization of pups.
What's weird to me is - they are SO big, but why don't I know or hear of anyone with their dogs? They are only 2 hours from me!
My next comment has no merit for you - but the operation seems a little creepy to me.
I agree. There are just to many really good dogs.big steve46 wrote:I would never spend over $500 for a pup! I don't care what title was on the facility. There's too many great papered pups available for a lot less.
KKK.K. wrote:I can't fault a person for spending the money they have earned however the please. If it brings them pleasure far be it from me to knock them for it.
Didn't mean to be disrespectful of either line. My point is both are "Dual Type" and bred with the same goal in mind. Here's a note from the Decoverly website.Fair Fields wrote:You just said it - OH are smaller than Rymans. This lends itself to field perfomance variations, heat tolerance, ground speed and stamina. Just my opinion. Other than that they are very similar, but I think it is unfair and disrespectful to lump the lines together.
If these dogs were exactly the same than Ken would be selling Old Hemlock setters and not Decoverly Setters.
When GBE put that in print in 90, that ended the freindship between the Calkins and Ken. After the falling out betwwen the two . The Calkins started mentoring Lee and Sheila Stelrekchts who was interested in starting a kennel with the Ryman bloodlines. The name of their kennels was Bold Return Kennels...................ScottK.K. wrote:
George and Kay Evans (Old Hemlock) were observers of the Ryman evolution, and in 1990 George wrote in ‘George Bird Evans Introduces’, “the DeCoverly setters, which I consider the true heritage bloodline of the Ryman gun dogs.”. GBE must have been of the opinion that the lines were very close to the Ryman standard to have put this in print.
Scott~I think he's trying to say in a round about way that "he's been there, done that." Not just heard about it from someone else. From what it sounds like to me is that Mr. Ruff has a whole lot of knowledge and A LOT of it came from personal experience.RoundRiver Setters wrote:Mr. Ruff, Thank You for the compliment on the setters. I do not have answers to your other questions and I am not for sure I am following you.
You are entitled to your opinions, but you have no constitutional or any other kind of right to post them here. This is a privately-owned message board. Everything posted here is subject to the review of the moderators. The moderators are the last and final arbiter of the rules of the site. If you do not like those rules or the application of them, you are welcome to post elsewhere.Mr.Ruff wrote:Now, I would also like to know why the Moderator of this site does not wish to have anyone come to this forum and speak the truth about certain subject matter? I followed the rules set by this site and didn't know speaking the truth about materiall that is made public domain is a violation of out God given rights under the Constitution of the United States of America..
I served 28 years in the United States Army, retired a Colonel and since it is very clear to me what is going on here, I will not do any further posting on a site that is involved in a manipulation to cover up the truth that is based on actual facts.
I sent 1 PM on Sat morn and 1at 12:30 am Sun to Mr. Ruff telling him I have info for him on Mr. Weaver, but he would have to e-mail me at my personel e-mail address. I told him I wanted to know who I was talking to. He has not contacted me. I have noticed that all of his post has been on this setter thread. Maybe Mr. Ruff is a nice old guy with a lot of knowledge of what has went on in the past with Ryman dogs or is he somebody who is just trying to stir up trouble. :roll: ...........ScottMr.Ruff wrote:Now, I have a question for you and hope you have an answer. Have you ever heard of "bleep" Weaver who lives in Chambersburg, PA.? If so, would appreciate any information that came to you through the inner circle as I would be most interested. By the way, nice looking setters!