Wagonmaster wrote:The problem is that the collar locates itself by reference to satellites, and the receiver does also, but the transmission for the receiver to know where the collar is, is line of sight radio from the collar to the receiver. That has limits that in practice are shorter than the range of the Marshall, especially out in the big western venues. The guys I know are sticking to their Marshalls. I have a Tracker and like it just fine so am keeping it for now.
I also have the Astro and it works very well for hunting. For training it has the advantage of telling you exactly where the dog has run and is currently, so you can see if and how much the dog is going back when out of sight. But it does have some issues, I have lost transmission from the collar several times, and also the compass seems to need to be re-calibrated fairly often. Re-calibration involved pressing a button and turning around slowly two times, which is nothing when you are on foot but a little more complicated if you are mounted.
GPS Tracking Systems in UKC Licensed Nite Hunts
Advisor Column – July
While we welcome today’s higher technology it brings with it some concerns. For instance the new Garmin Astro’s have many different useful options when it comes to using them for training purposes or tracking hounds as well as GPS telemetry for human navigation all built in one unit. The most common question raised is; are they allowed to be used for navigational purposes such as finding your vehicle or otherwise during the course of a nite hunt?
It is UKC’s position that any GPS system with a built in collar tracking capabilities will be treated the same as any other radio wave tracking units used for tracking purposes. They may not be used or turned in the “on” position during the hunt – no exceptions. There will also not be any exceptions in using them for navigational purposes during a time-in period of a nite hunt. It would open the door for abuse because of the way most of these systems are set up. Whether they be used for tracking purposes, navigational purposes or otherwise any GPS system with tracking capabilities are allowed during time-out periods only.
Affective immediately and/or until further notice the following must be adhered to regarding the use of GPS units with built in tracking capabilities in UKC Licensed Events.
Individual must advise cast of GPS unit as part of their hunt gear prior to start of hunt.
Navigational system may be used to mark waypoints (parked vehicles) prior to start of hunt or during time out periods only. When used for marking it must be done in plain view of cast and turned to off position.
May not be turned in the “on” position at any time during a time-in period.
May not be used for navigational purposes during the hunt. They may only be used for such during a time-out period.
Unit must be shown to any cast member during the hunt when requested.
Individuals found to be in violation of these restrictions are subject to sanctions by the United Kennel Club and/or as outlined in Rule 20.
Note: GPS navigational only systems may be used at any time during a UKC Licensed Nite Hunt.
Even with the issues of lost signal etc isn't it beneficial to be able to use the Garmin knowing the dog was last seen going this way and continue to work until a signal is able to be picked up then instantly you are back on track?
DGFavor wrote:There is no way I'd turn my dog loose with the current Garmin setup in a field trial - the range in our parts just isn't there, even with the LR antennae I'm told.
Tracker has a new booster Yagi attachment they are touting 68 miles (!!) reception - I've gotta have one!! Trading in my old unit next week.
I'm a Garmin owner too BTW and love it when it works - I use 'em everytime training or hunting but I put a tele collar on my dogs everytime for backup. In a trial I use the telemetry collars.Even with the issues of lost signal etc isn't it beneficial to be able to use the Garmin knowing the dog was last seen going this way and continue to work until a signal is able to be picked up then instantly you are back on track?
Would be nice if they worked like that!! Unfortunately most of the times these dogs are moving thru the country and looking for 'em where they were doesn't often help! Best thing when you lose contact or signal with either the Garmin or telemetry units is to get to high ground or start using your noodle surveying the country around you trying to reason out where in that country the dog is likely to be that you can't pick up a signal and go there first.
Currently, if you've got a dog that likes to look over the country and you want to get it back home at the end of the day, I think telemetry still gets the nod.
One last thing regarding both Garmin and telemetry use in trials. Keeping track of one receiver (givng it to the judge or marshall) isn't going to deter the determined cheater. Both tracking methods can be paired with multiple receivers. Short of frisking everyone in the immediate area, I'm not sure how that concern could ever be addressed.
Neil Mace wrote:Now I really don't care if it is approved or not, but it does not have to be an either/or, they can approve it, and all of you can continue to use the telemetry.
DGFavor wrote:One last thing regarding both Garmin and telemetry use in trials. Keeping track of one receiver (givng it to the judge or marshall) isn't going to deter the determined cheater. Both tracking methods can be paired with multiple receivers. Short of frisking everyone in the immediate area, I'm not sure how that concern could ever be addressed.
Razor wrote:I would bet Garmin is paying Neil.
AHGSP wrote:Like me ol' Granpappy used to say: "Locked doors only keep an honest man honest."
One of the issues that would bother me w/ the Garmin would be battery life. When we are talking about a dog several days gone missing, the Garmin is out of commission w/ dead batteries; whereas the Tracker is still ticking. If I'm going to stake my dogs well being on a Tracker or GPS, I'm opting for the one w/ the longest battery life.... the Tracker.
Just my wooden nickel....
Neil Mace wrote: I am pretty much convinced that there are only about 12 people that can use telemetry correctly, I doubt you are one of them, I know I am not. The rest waive the things in the air until the dog returns on his own.
BigShooter wrote:Razor wrote:Neil-
The Garmin is going back to Cabelas, until the next GSP system comes out in the Spring of 10.
"GSP" system, huh? Nice play on words!
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