If you have never competed in hunting trials of any kind, and it seems from your posts you're not a hunter at all and don't own a hunting dog, then you have absolutely NO idea what it takes to win in these games.
Seems to me like you're a bunny hugger trying to pick on fight on a hunting dog board.
Ok...wow...seriously, do I have to spell it ALL out for you? How many times to I have to frigging say this!?!?
I AM CURIOUS about the use of e-collars in HUNTING! I don't like e-collars being used in some other situations, but I am genuinely curious about the use in hunting. I have said that so many times now, and just because I don't support the e-collar in every situation, you're calling me a bunny hugger? Seriously, don't even utter the word respect. I honestly don't see how you can get any respect from anyone, or even your dog, when you're so cruel to others.
Your not hearing me. I've shocked my dog MAYBE 8 times in 4 years. She doesnt stray away from me. The shock collar is a safety for her JUST IN CASE. Tying a high energy V up in the front yard with kids running around and other dogs is not the answer.
You even quoted me saying this, but again, a common theme here, I'll have to repeat myself...
"If your dog mostly stays in your yard and only occasionally tries to cross, then no, I don't see a problem with it. What I am talking about are people who have dogs who would bolt out of the yard at the sight of anything or if a new smell drifted there way."
You don't have to shock your dog every waking moment because it's generally well mannered. So as I said, I don't have a problem with it.
Your not hearing me again. My neighbors dog is not aggressive OTHER dogs are. If I could force them not to bring those dogs the world would be a better place. Now have you ever seen a pack of well balanced dogs and ONE SINGLE dog starts something. The whole pack runs over and starts something. This is the pack mentality. Even the well balanced dogs with get into the mix. This is when I would use a collar. But once again I barely use mine. For the most part my V doesnt even like other dogs. She would rather play fetch.
So....you shock your dog when another dog is causing trouble? Well balanced dogs don't join into the fight, they either ignore it or try to settle things down. If your dog is one of those, shocking it is the last thing you want to do. You want to train to prevent that from happening. It can and has been done. If you choose to just manage instead of being proactive to prevent by having to shock your own dog because of another's mistake...well that's your own doing then.
If you agree with something that has been said then you will have to say so. At this point i can't find where you have once said that you didn't know something or that you have learned something from any post that has been made. This is just one of the reasons why people are thinking you aren't being completely honest.
Seriously? Do you want me to write and entire essay on what I've learned? I said thank you. That is acknowledgment. And I'm not here to agree or disagree, it's about learning about the use of e-collars in hunting. I clearly said I did not know much about the use of e-collars in hunting. So anything in reference to that is new to me. Excuse me for not writing out all of the sentences that have helped. I thought that part was obvious.
You made the statement that you don't use and e-collar yet you are quick to condemn their use in a dog park or an a aggressive dog. Tell us about your experiences that have led you to those conclusions.
I don't use an e-collar. I have had success without them. But I know people who use them, and I have seen their dogs reactions. I have personally seen many different dogs handled via e-collars. Were all of them just wrecks? No. Some were content, but I know of a way that is much more fun and much more engaging in having control of your dog when it comes to something as simple as a dog park. I just honestly don't see the need for an e-collar at a dog park. So many things can go wrong. As for hunting, I see possibilities. Which is why I am curious to learn more.
No one says you have to agree with everything but when you disagree then tell us your experiences that led you to your believe.
I have. And I even gave reference on what I would do and methods I use.
From your posts you still do not understand how to use a collar and it is apparent that you probably won't learn from this thread.
Ok seriously....that's a great way to go about proposing your ideals. Let's train people by insulting them. Brilliant. That'll help reinforce the positives of e-collars. :roll: If you're going to be so rude about things, then don't speak, you're only hurting yourself more. How do you expect me to become more accepting of e-collars when you're so rude about explaining it to me?
In all honesty, when you started writing about hunting and e-collars, I thought "Finally!"....but then you were rude...so now I'm having a hard time reading the rest of your post seriously. If you want to show the good of e-collars and educate people, I suggest you not be so rude. I haven't insulted anyone here....so why take the time to insult someone asking for information on the use of e-collars in hunting? E-collars is a touchy subject, but if you want to be heard, you have to be respectful to others, even if they may oppose some of your ideals.
If you have read all of these posts I think everyone has explained that the collar is less severe than a leash.
Which I found odd....not that an e-collar is less severe....but the fact that sooo many people kept bringing that up when I never even proposed or even talked about severity to begin with. I just think people are so used to being criticized for using e-collars that they're so quick to jump the gun and defend themselves or attack the "newcomer".
I haven't heard you say that is unnecessary or overkill and yet the collar being on a dog though not being used is overkill.
I never said that....I said shocking a dog at a dog park may cause more problems because you aren't 100% sure what the dog is associating the shock with. I never said anything about it being cruel. I'm assuming that I'm talking to people who use e-collars responsibly and aren't those maniacs who are anxious to zap there dog at any given second. And you all seem to be assuming that I think e-collars are cruel devices. Perhaps we shouldn't make assumptions.
Why do you continue to say that when it has been explained that it is nothing but a leash which you think is fine?
Because it's not a leash. The purpose behind it may have the same concept of the leash, but it's still not a leash. And I know some people use beeps or vibrations to remind there dogs, but I am referring to actual shocks. Although I know they're not dangerous in the right hands and aren't necessarily painful....it's still electricity. And it's not the same as a leash in actuality. And just to make myself clear, when I am in support of a leash, I'm not in full support of just leash popping as opposed to nicks from an e-collar. I'm supporting a leash as a way for containment, not corrections.
Seems to all of us that your opinions have not changed one iota from your first post to the last one. And that is not conducive to having anyone think you are wanting info so you can explain why an e-collar is a great tool to your friends that don't think a collar should be on a dog at the dog park or in their yard like you do.
Seriously....are my words disappearing or something? My opinion on e-collars in certain situations was there. But I was curious about hunting....so saying my opinion hasn't changed from the first post is ridiculous. I never had an opinion on e-collars for hunting dogs, which is what I've been asking for this entire time. Saying it's a moot point to continue because I disagree with using e-collars in other situations is just stupid. You're missing the whole point of me starting this thread.
I'm open minded about the use of e-collars in situations where I personally feel they fit in. I know people who always dismiss e-collars no matter what. I wanted to learn more about e-collars for hunting so I'd be able to have more knowledge to tell them that e-collars aren't all bad. But again...maybe I should just go with them because at least they're not rude about their opinions unlike the majority here. :roll:
I would suggest you ask specific questions on the things you want to know and offer experiences that have led you to your opinions and maybe this thread can be saved and and used by you to further your knowledge.
I did. I asked if an e-collar was just used as a correction or if it was ever used as a cue. Yet the only responses I get are that I'm a bunny hugger who is close minded and only came here for a fight. How can I ask any more questions if those are the answers I get?
If your going to use the collar you need to be consistent about it. When I say use it I mean have it on the dog. Training a hunting dog "hunting things" is no different than teaching a dog to sit. So using the collar in the field and not at the dog park would be stupid.
This is what I don't understand. Wouldn't you WANT to fade out the tool? Isn't that the whole point of training and using it to reinforce what you've trained? If you're just going to use it your whole life, what's the point in continuing training?
I also wear my dog out by tossing the dummy in the circle. So tying my dog up in the front yard is not an option.
This is where we get mixed up. A long line, as I said, doesn't mean tying a dog up to a tree and leaving it there. I put my dogs on long lines so they can run around. I had my dog on an 80 footer today, and he had all the fun in the world playing whack a "mole" by trying to catch all of the chipmunks when they'd pop up out of their holes.
And so...if an e-collar is the same as a leash....why is it that it's so stupid to put your dog on a long line then?
My dog takes atleast 1 - 2 hour per day of exercise to get her mind right. So an ecollar in my subdivision is the only way. A 100' check word would not work.
There are many other ways to exercise your dog mentally and physically. I roller blade...bike....hike...walk...train tricks...all sorts of stuff. And I don't need an e-collar. They all work well.