dblent wrote:hack? do u mean with e-collar?
dblent wrote:ok, but is the command "here" given? i don't want the dog to come to me everytime, but want it closer.
birddog1968 wrote:I have found with Pointers you also need to give up a little of your feelings of not being in total control....let the dog work.
Hacking is not an option with me (I refuse to hack a dog), I let them roll and we learn how to hunt together in a manner that works for both of us.
It takes some work adjusting your expectations but if the dog is NOT a runoff then you will learn to enjoy hunting behind the dog at the range she
naturally works. Work on your commands for getting her to turn (I use two whistle blasts or my voice Hup Hup....) and generally only use those if
I make a direction change, Otherwise I hunt behind the dog in silence. You can also move the dog into tighter /heavier cover to close her up some.
If the dog wants birds shot for her she will adjust to make that happen and you will let her roll where she's comfortable.....
Hope that all makes sense....
BigShooter wrote:We've talked about this many times on this site before. For many of us range doesn't mean nearly as much as Wagonmaster puts it: nose, bird sense & manners. What you shouldn't tolerate is a dog a long ways off, bumping birds. I've said this before, I've seen dogs that are range wise. If they are near you they have good manners but they like to escape away to the front so they can do some self hunting & screw around without hearing about it from you. IMO with a dog like that the most important issue is to get them broke to wing & shot. You want them rock solid on points and NEVER moving before you release them. Then you won't care nearly as much if they are working a long ways ahead of you because when you find them they will be holding a bird for you.
If you have this type of problem it tends to become worse & more ingrained/harder to correct with the passage of time.
I think you also need to work more on basic obedience. Never give a command unless you can enforce it. This is normally accomplished at the end of a lead or check cord. Sounds like your dog is blowing you off.
dblent wrote:BigShooter wrote:We've talked about this many times on this site before. For many of us range doesn't mean nearly as much as Wagonmaster puts it: nose, bird sense & manners. What you shouldn't tolerate is a dog a long ways off, bumping birds. I've said this before, I've seen dogs that are range wise. If they are near you they have good manners but they like to escape away to the front so they can do some self hunting & screw around without hearing about it from you. IMO with a dog like that the most important issue is to get them broke to wing & shot. You want them rock solid on points and NEVER moving before you release them. Then you won't care nearly as much if they are working a long ways ahead of you because when you find them they will be holding a bird for you.
If you have this type of problem it tends to become worse & more ingrained/harder to correct with the passage of time.
I think you also need to work more on basic obedience. Never give a command unless you can enforce it. This is normally accomplished at the end of a lead or check cord. Sounds like your dog is blowing you off.
i will do more basic traing and try to resolve the problem...and it does seem like the dog is blowing me off. more birds will help and actually shooting more will help even more. interesting to see what she would do if the hunting area was polluted with game. hunting woodcock and ruffed grouse and they're scarce at times.
dblent wrote:yes, we hunt in deep cover. like to see how she hunts for pheasant in open country...