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- Wagonmaster
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- SwitchGrassWPG
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- sweetsong
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Mine are AKC & FDSB
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- kninebirddog
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AKC and FDSB got one for both?
and also some are NSTRA
and also some are NSTRA
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
"When I hear somebody talk about a horse or cow being stupid, I figure its a sure sign that the animal has outfoxed them." Tom Dorrance
If you feel like you are banging your head against the wall, try using the door.
"When I hear somebody talk about a horse or cow being stupid, I figure its a sure sign that the animal has outfoxed them." Tom Dorrance
If you feel like you are banging your head against the wall, try using the door.
Flyingm no they do not. Sure wish they did. I duck hunt with my wirehairs also so it was good practice for them. And I get a kick out of coming to the line with a fuzz face and the judges asking me what kind of dog is that. The UKC/ HRC stuff is a lot of fun they are a lot more laid back than the AKC stuff. I hate to say that because I am an AKC pointer judge. But when it comes to the retriever world the AKC judges are not very friendly. Where the HRC judges are more approachable.
GWP's have to have a water rating? For what??? I'll bet there are thousands of GWP's without any type of rating.gundogguru wrote:AKC and UKC. The UKC allows pointers to run in there retriever tests. And with GWP's we have to have a water rating.
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- Wagonmaster
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GWP's have to pass a water test to be an FC or AFC. It is not much of a test, but it does insure that the dogs will go in the water. Lots won't. Once you get to that point - the dog likes the water - you can take it anywhere you want. I finished an AFC wirehair years ago. He could do 300 yard water retrieves on dummies fired from a retriever trainer, and I would swim him a half mile behind a row boat instead of roading him on hot days. I never used him much as a waterfowl dog, but he made many retrieves of upland birds shot over water for me - as have a succession of GSP's since that dog.
I live in water country. Good to keep that characteristic in the dogs.
I live in water country. Good to keep that characteristic in the dogs.
Thanks for the explanation, John. I knew that the AKC GWP's needed a water test to earn their field titles (except JH), but I didn't think that the water test had anything to do with registration.
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- Wagonmaster
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You are right John about the water test for a SH or a MH suffix.
Ezzy
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It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
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It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
I had all 4 SH legs and 3 master legs on my GWP and she was still only a JH till I could find a water test. Down here in the coastal parts of SC it's hard to find water that we can train in and not worry about alligators. Then you have to find a weim club or a GWP club that will hold a water test that runs in conjunction with a hunt test. GWP club of America really dropped the ball with the way they made up the rules about the water test.
GWP's are supposed to be water retrievers as well as pointers. How can you call one a Master Hunter if has never proven that it will retrieve from water? The field trial dogs have required a water retrieve for years, so why shouldn't the hunt test dogs?
Where do the lab folks test their dogs in SC?
Where do the lab folks test their dogs in SC?
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Wannabe,
There has not been any posts that indicate any of us are against the water test. The original post was just that it is required of the GWP. I wish it was included in all of the continental breed's tests. And I don't think anyone would disagree too much if the test are made available. Right now that seems to be a problem in some areas.
Ezzy
There has not been any posts that indicate any of us are against the water test. The original post was just that it is required of the GWP. I wish it was included in all of the continental breed's tests. And I don't think anyone would disagree too much if the test are made available. Right now that seems to be a problem in some areas.
Ezzy
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It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=207
It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
wannabe the only FC and AFC dogs that require a water rating are GWP'S and weims. GWP's are they only breed that have to a water rating to be come SH or MH. Just because a pointer can't swim doesn't mean the dog could not be a master hunter. some breeds just don't swim well. all your continental breeds have webbed feet so they are built for swimming. As far as the lab people here in the south doing water work all of your PRO's have there own water that they keep gator free or they have access to private water that they can keep gator free. when a gator shows up there is usually a LIGHTNIG strike and the gator is never seen again.
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there was talk of setting up a water test for GSP's, not a required test but an optional one. our local club did one i think. but the concept apparently died on the vine. too bad.
one of the most enthusiastic swimmers i ever had was a pointer. she was not a great swimmer, she mostly swam vertically and splashed alot. but you could not get her out of the water.
one of the most enthusiastic swimmers i ever had was a pointer. she was not a great swimmer, she mostly swam vertically and splashed alot. but you could not get her out of the water.
IMHO, a wirehair that can't swim or doesn't want to swim doesn't deserve the title of MH or SH.gundogguru wrote:wannabe the only FC and AFC dogs that require a water rating are GWP'S and weims. GWP's are they only breed that have to a water rating to be come SH or MH. Just because a pointer can't swim doesn't mean the dog could not be a master hunter. some breeds just don't swim well. all your continental breeds have webbed feet so they are built for swimming. As far as the lab people here in the south doing water work all of your PRO's have there own water that they keep gator free or they have access to private water that they can keep gator free. when a gator shows up there is usually a LIGHTNIG strike and the gator is never seen again.
I have been told that the GSP's used to require a water retrieve for their FC/AFC titles.
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Belly Acres Whinehard
Soggy Bottom's Juicy Butte
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Soggy Bottom's Col. Angus
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Soggy Bottom's Dapper Dan
Belly Acres Whinehard
Soggy Bottom's Juicy Butte
Soggy Bottom's Bonafide
Soggy Bottom's Col. Angus
While I do agree with water tests, I can't get around the double standard. In my opinion, if a water test is required to earn a SH or MH title, then every breed should be succeptible to that test. Otherwise, the water test should be a separate test and have a separate title designation, with no bearing on a SH or MH title. Just my opinion, of course.wannabe wrote:IMHO, a wirehair that can't swim or doesn't want to swim doesn't deserve the title of MH or SH.gundogguru wrote:wannabe the only FC and AFC dogs that require a water rating are GWP'S and weims. GWP's are they only breed that have to a water rating to be come SH or MH. Just because a pointer can't swim doesn't mean the dog could not be a master hunter. some breeds just don't swim well. all your continental breeds have webbed feet so they are built for swimming. As far as the lab people here in the south doing water work all of your PRO's have there own water that they keep gator free or they have access to private water that they can keep gator free. when a gator shows up there is usually a LIGHTNIG strike and the gator is never seen again.
I have been told that the GSP's used to require a water retrieve for their FC/AFC titles.
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I am in favor of all of the continental breeds having to pass a water test but will have to admit it should be the breed club to make the call. The breeders should have the right and responsibilty to decide what they want for their breed standard. and if a breed requires it they should provide it when they sponsor a hunt test.
Ezzy
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It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
http://www.perfectpedigrees.com/4genview.php?id=207
It's not how many breaths you have taken but how many times it has been taken away!
Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
- Wagonmaster
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ezzy has it just right. the breed clubs decide. in the AKC environment, that is the only way it is going to happen anyway. breed clubs decide the standard. there is no overall group that tries to impose a standard or requirement like this on several breeds.
also, would not get too excited about this particular water test. it is more of a "proof" test - will the dog go in water and will it pick up a dummy or bird (as I recall a bird can be used with a dog that won't do the dummy). just a pass fail. as i recall, the dog does not have to bring the dummy to hand. it has passed when it goes in and picks the dummy up. good to do i think, to make sure the characteristic stays in the breed, but it is not an elaborate test and there is no quality measure involved (how good did the dog do it). if you want a more elaborate test, you will have to go to NAVHDA or do your own.
also, would not get too excited about this particular water test. it is more of a "proof" test - will the dog go in water and will it pick up a dummy or bird (as I recall a bird can be used with a dog that won't do the dummy). just a pass fail. as i recall, the dog does not have to bring the dummy to hand. it has passed when it goes in and picks the dummy up. good to do i think, to make sure the characteristic stays in the breed, but it is not an elaborate test and there is no quality measure involved (how good did the dog do it). if you want a more elaborate test, you will have to go to NAVHDA or do your own.
Wagonmaster your 100% correct about the water test. It really is not worth doing but shows that the dog will swim. Our test that being the GWP test consists of a game bird being throw about 20 yards. the dog has to willingly enter the water and retrieve the bird it does not have to deliver to hand. it is a pass or fail. if you are going to have a water rating at least make it worth while and show the dogs ability to do water work. And it is up to the parent club of any sporting breed to make a water test part of that breeds requirement for a hunt test title.
- Wagonmaster
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- Donnerhund GWP
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While the dog doesn't have to deliver the bird "to hand", it must bring it back out of the water and within reaching distance of the handler.
It's not a tough test, but our membership thought it important enough to fight AKC for several years to get it for our breed.
Quite a few other continental breeds were asked by the GWPCA to join us in our quest to get this test for the SH and MH. None were interested and we plugged along till it was done.
One of the biggest problems is finding a test. Right now, only a test by a Weim club or a GWP club will count. It's something the club is working on, and hopefully will be fixed soon.
I know it's a hike for someone in the Carolinas, but sometime this summer there will be a test held in NJ. Anyone interested.... email me.
Dual
It's not a tough test, but our membership thought it important enough to fight AKC for several years to get it for our breed.
Quite a few other continental breeds were asked by the GWPCA to join us in our quest to get this test for the SH and MH. None were interested and we plugged along till it was done.
One of the biggest problems is finding a test. Right now, only a test by a Weim club or a GWP club will count. It's something the club is working on, and hopefully will be fixed soon.
I know it's a hike for someone in the Carolinas, but sometime this summer there will be a test held in NJ. Anyone interested.... email me.
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One of my dogs is dual registered the other two FDSB only