Supplements

[Cajun Casey]

Anyone use supplements for joint support, coat condition, anti-oxidant, or anything else?

What kind?

[big steve46]

I used Glucos-Choin capsules for my old Llewellin for a couple of years. I got them under another label, but Puritan's Pride is available to everyone, and it's the same. Some products are better than others

Fortunately, supplementation is not needed as much with dogs as it is with humans, because dog's food is more nutritional.

[jlp8cornell]

Both of mine get Dasuquin because they have both had stifle surgeries. I use it more as a preventative measure. They also get ~2T. fish oil/day for joint health as well.

[1vizsla]

Missing Link and Salmon Oil because both dogs have had injuries. Works for us.

Carla

[mcbosco]

Annamaet Impact is a good one for heavily worked dogs, lots of protein, fat, extra stress vitamins, pre & probiotics and easy to travel with.

There is no evidence in people or in animals that joint support supplements does anything so I wouldn't pick a supplement on this basis.

[ezzy333]

Annamaet Impact is a good one for heavily worked dogs, lots of protein, fat, extra stress vitamins, pre & probiotics and easy to travel with.

There is no evidence in people or in animals that joint support supplements does anything so I wouldn't pick a supplement on this basis.

I agree. There is no evidence that any supplement is needed on a regular basis. My experience tells me the same thing. Our dog foods of today provide everything a dog needs nutritionly.

Ezzy

[lvrgsp]

Yep

Oomph,
Flaxseed,
Dyne

[big steve46]

Annamaet Impact is a good one for heavily worked dogs, lots of protein, fat, extra stress vitamins, pre & probiotics and easy to travel with.

There is no evidence in people or in animals that joint support supplements does anything so I wouldn't pick a supplement on this basis.

I have evidence per personal and professional experience that joint health is enhanced in many cases. Double blind studies are not done much on treatments that don't make the drug industry rich.

In humans, the RDAs are set too low for optimum health.

[mcbosco]

Annamaet Impact is a good one for heavily worked dogs, lots of protein, fat, extra stress vitamins, pre & probiotics and easy to travel with.

There is no evidence in people or in animals that joint support supplements does anything so I wouldn't pick a supplement on this basis.

I have evidence per personal and professional experience that joint health is enhanced in many cases. Double blind studies are not done much on treatments that don't make the drug industry rich.

In humans, the RDAs are set too low for optimum health.

Don't shoot the messenger Steve!!!!

[Cajun Casey]

Any experiences with CoQ10?

[mcbosco]

Beef heart has a ton of it. I really should feed more raw beef heart but the darn things come whole and are really creepy to cut up.

[Cajun Casey]

Beef heart has a ton of it. I really should feed more raw beef heart but the darn things come whole and are really creepy to cut up.

Can you have them grind it at the meat counter?

[mcbosco]

No they come frozen in boxes but at least they are individually wrapped. I doubt anyone butcher would use the machines for these even though they are FDA inspected and stamped.

[ezzy333]

Beef heart has a ton of it. I really should feed more raw beef heart but the darn things come whole and are really creepy to cut up.

What seems to be wrong with your dog? Are the symptons something that really shows?

Ezzy

[Cajun Casey]

No they come frozen in boxes but at least they are individually wrapped. I doubt anyone butcher would use the machines for these even though they are FDA inspected and stamped.

Can't be worse than sausage. Run a couple of slices of stale wheat bread through and wash the thing. Yankees. Geesh.

[mcbosco]

Hahhahah, yeah we are tenderfoots up North!!!

[big steve46]

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Don't shoot the messenger Steve!!!!

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No problem there. Of all the minds on here, you are at least in the top twenty!

[big steve46]

Any experiences with CoQ10?

I take it myself of course, but have never used it on dogs. Traditionanal and non-traditional thinking both tend to support it's use in humans.

[PrairieGoat]

One of my pups had OCD and since then I've used the jerky strips with the joint supplement as their daily "go out in the garage as I go to work" treat. It's a pretty light dosage and may not do anything for the dogs but makes me feel better (and I don't even eat them!!!)....

[ezzy333]

I started giving them to my dog that had the hip and pelvis rebuilt. The specialist that worked on him said I could try it but there was no evidence they helped anything. He was against feeding any supplements on a regular basis and I have to agree with him after being involved in the feed testing that was done to insure that the feeds today have everything a dog needs in abundance.

Ezzy

[Cajun Casey]

I started giving them to my dog that had the hip and pelvis rebuilt. The specialist that worked on him said I could try it but there was no evidence they helped anything. He was against feeding any supplements on a regular basis and I have to agree with him after being involved in the feed testing that was done to insure that the feeds today have everything a dog needs in abundance.

Ezzy

Is that why most of the recent recalls have been for nutritional deficiencies?

I'm interested in supplements for performance dogs, not more glorification of the dog food industry. I get that on a weekly basis from my sales reps.

[PrairieGoat]

I started giving them to my dog that had the hip and pelvis rebuilt. The specialist that worked on him said I could try it but there was no evidence they helped anything. He was against feeding any supplements on a regular basis and I have to agree with him after being involved in the feed testing that was done to insure that the feeds today have everything a dog needs in abundance.

Ezzy

I certainly have no evidence that it is doing a darn thing for mine either, but as I said...gives me a little peace of mind and I haven't seen any evidence that it is bad for them either. I have to give them the treat anyway!!! I've also noted that a lot of dog foods indicate that they have glucosamine and chondrotin included, but haven't seen it on this stuff I've been feeding lately (Black Gold).

I suspect that dog supplements/vitamins are a lot like human supplements/vitamins.....a very controversial subject at best and no clear evidence to support either side. I say "clear evidence" because just about as often as I see a scientifc study one way, one comes out the other way!

[GUNDOGS]

Have any of you used shark cartlidge? i buy it at our local pet value nutrition store..we began using it when i met my husband and he had a shorthair that had hip surgery and arthritis..we put him on it and he really showed an improvement and could get up alot easier in the mornings ect..in MY opinion from what I have read and learned i think alot of the nutrience and vitamins and best ingredients are lost in food processing..so i like the idea of fresh fruits, veggies, meat, eggs and supplements IF you can give it to your dog and they do well on it why not?......ruth

[ezzy333]

Have any of you used shark cartlidge? i buy it at our local pet value nutrition store..we began using it when i met my husband and he had a shorthair that had hip surgery and arthritis..we put him on it and he really showed an improvement and could get up alot easier in the mornings ect..in MY opinion from what I have read and learned i think alot of the nutrience and vitamins and best ingredients are lost in food processing..so i like the idea of fresh fruits, veggies, meat, eggs and supplements IF you can give it to your dog and they do well on it why not?......ruth

The main reason why not is all you are doing is unbalancing a ration that we spent a lot of time research and money on to get it right.

Ezzy

[Cajun Casey]

If they got it right, they would not keep changing it.

[big steve46]

If they got it right, they would not keep changing it.

Plus, there are times when you want to unbalance the formula of nutrition on purpose by using supplements as a therapeutic tool. The problem is most "experts" don't know how to do that so they simply decry the effort.

[Cajun Casey]

If they got it right, they would not keep changing it.

Plus, there are times when you want to unbalance the formula of nutrition on purpose by using supplements as a therapeutic tool. The problem is most "experts" don't know how to do that so they simply decry the effort.

Exactly. What I am confronting is young dogs that I know take three years to fully mature, but I'm putting them under exercise stress. I don't want that to come back on them around age eight or nine. My Casey's daddy was still running GSPCA AA stakes at eleven, so genetics will have a role there. Oakie is growing much faster and leaner than most dogs, so I really want his joints in good shape. We are doing fatty acids and I'm looking into CoQ10.

[northUpland]

For what my opinion is worth, check out the Retrieve Health website http://www.retrievehealth.com/ as well as their Research Data http://retrievehealth.com/research/index.cfm page. It is interesting reading with a very long list of research references. The only Retrieve Health product I have used personally on multiple dogs with what seems to me to be positive, consistent performance improvement is their Tri-Nutrition bars. Anybody have any experience with their other products?

[lvrgsp]

[quote="Cajun Casey

I'm interested in supplements for performance dogs, not more glorification of the dog food industry. I get that on a weekly basis from my sales reps.[/quote]

Again,
Oomph for performance dogs.................

[big steve46]

[quote="northUpland"]For what my opinion is worth, check out the Retrieve Health website http://www.retrievehealth.com/ as well as their Research Data http://retrievehealth.com/research/index.cfm page. It is interesting reading with a very long list of research references. The only Retrieve Health product I have used personally on multiple dogs with what seems to me to be positive, consistent performance improvement is their Tri-Nutrition bars. Anybody have any experience with their other products?[/quote


I looked at some of the info, and it's good. I'm sure I can get supplements at a lower cost including chewable ones.

Again, most working dogs do well on most good quality feeds, and don't need supplements unless there's a special need, because animal feed is more nutritional comparatively than human feed.

[ezzy333]

If they got it right, they would not keep changing it.

Plus, there are times when you want to unbalance the formula of nutrition on purpose by using supplements as a therapeutic tool. The problem is most "experts" don't know how to do that so they simply decry the effort.

Steve you are talking people not dogs.

Ezzy

[mcbosco]

Anyone use supplements for joint support, coat condition, anti-oxidant, or anything else?

What kind?

I think before you go the route of supplements you should look at what you are feeding. It is probably more cost effective to move up the ladder than use a lower grade food and doll it up with expensive supplements. If lower priced diets work just fine, well, then just count your blessings.

Makes sense??

[big steve46]

If they got it right, they would not keep changing it.

Plus, there are times when you want to unbalance the formula of nutrition on purpose by using supplements as a therapeutic tool. The problem is most "experts" don't know how to do that so they simply decry the effort.

Steve you are talking people not dogs.

Ezzy

True, but principles still apply. I have also stated that usually supplementation is not needed in dog feed due to more of the nutrients being left in the feed.

Still, I can see using supplements for therapeutic purposes when needed.

[nitrex]

Cajun,

I use some of the "Elements" supplements and have had great results. I really like the fact that you can call them and talk with the owner/developer and he will not sell you something you don't need! They have several different supplements that can be used for your specific situation. They focus on dogs nutrition for hard working dogs (i.e. trial & sled dog) I would encourage you to give them a call.

www,elements4dogs.com
612-756-4578

Nitrex

[INbeagles]

I started in dogs on the bench side off the sport. Having dogs in bloom was a great key to my success. I had several breeds through the years, and I almost never had a dog in top condition without supplements. I also have tried every expensive food around trying to avoid supplements. I found that decent food with supplements was cheaper AND had better results than the pricey stuff. Natures Farmacy (naturesfarmacy.com) is a company that has a very full line of products and is very popular with show people because their products work and are affordable. I use their digestive enhance on every dog in the pack, and other products as needed. No that I have hunting Beagles, I am needing to find something to help combat the crud they pick up in the field.

[ezzy333]

I've had dogs in the show ring and in the field and have never had a problem or needed or used a supplement. I had a dog several years ago have a minor problem with her ears till i cleaned them and treated them and never had another problem. Feet have never been an issue and haven't run into whip worms either. Just can't be much help for you.

Ezzy

[mcbosco]

You can do a lot with egg yolks thats for sure. Nupro & Impact are good too, Impact especially because of the 6 probiotic cultures.

[punch]

I use Glycanaid-HA – Advanced Joint Health Formula for my dogs. My vet prescribed it for maximum joint support and to help keep the joint cartilage and connective tissues healthy. Since Labrador Retrievers are prone to Hip Dysplasia, Master (my black Lab) takes it every single day. He's 9 years old now and his joints are healthy than ever....