CHJIII wrote:Oh come on! We all know the answer to this one.
You can shoot 3/4oz to 1 1/4oz in a 20. If you can't kill a bird(any bird) with 1 1/4 of shot, then you need some serious help shooting and/or learning the art of decoying birds.
JKP wrote:You can shoot 3/4oz to 1 1/4oz in a 20. If you can't kill a bird(any bird) with 1 1/4 of shot, then you need some serious help shooting and/or learning the art of decoying birds.
Yeah...but its so much more comfortable shooting 1 1/4 out of a 12 gauge than it is shooting 3" magnum 20 gauge shells....and cheaper.....
JKP wrote:Don't let anyone tell you that 3" shells for the 20 gauge are great...they are nasty, loud little beasties and expensive. Get a 6 1/2-3/4 lb 12 gauge and don't look back.
On the other hand, I've never purchased a gun based on weight either and this is not directed at you by no means and I'm sure that I am going to open the floodgates for many comments, but I again have never noticed the weight of a gun while hunting. I carry a Browning 3 1/2 Gold Semi in SD because of the way the party I go out with hunts, and don't feel the weight. When I have to start worrying about a gun being 6oz lighter than the next, I'll just stop hunting and take up ballroom dancing.
doco wrote:As said in my earlier post, I've watched too many guys destroy game with a 12. I've learned that patience is the key to shotgunning and very few small gamers have it.
Sorry JKP but maybe I'm a little cynical, I have never noticed any kick from any of my guns when hunting, let alone my 20. Maybe it's my adrenaline rush when a rooster is flying or a rabbit is running, but I've never felt, worried about it or even noticed it to speak of until I heard this. I've watched too many guys destroy birds and rabbits with a 12 at 10 yards. I also hunt ot enjoy the taste of game and have seen too many animals left in the woods for my liking.
doco wrote:Hey Birddogger,
Maybe I'm just old school or just too lazy to try and figure it all out. I never bought into stock fittings, cheekstocks, patterning a shotgun, drams, loads, etc. I know what I've always shot for loads, love the guns that I own, and there isn't much I don't hit. As said in my earlier post, I've watched too many guys destroy game with a 12. I've learned that patience is the key to shotgunning and very few small gamers have it.
I hate to admit it now, but I'll hit 50 next year and still feel like I'm 18 so I'm hoping that you mean old like 70's & 80's. I've carried my Citori for almost 30 years now and I have just never felt the need to replace it for a lighter weapon. On the other hand, I have never been to or had a gun fitting. If I shoulder it and the bead is right there, I've always felt like that was a good fit for me.
And, the Ballroom Dancing, forget it. After 50 years of going to weddings, I still can't do the Alley Cat, let alone the Chicken Dance.
JKP wrote:A 12 is the more flexible gauge...there is no argument to that. I shoot 1 oz loads @ 11-1200 ft/sec and you hardly feel the gun (6lb 9oz double)....but I also have the option of shooting 1 3/4 oz if I want. In the hands of the average shooter, a 12 gauge with more shot is a better option....and on a windy day, late season, a 12 in the hands of a good shooter is better....when we're talking about putting out a pattern of 5's for skittish roosters at distance...1 5/8 oz will beat 1 1/4 everytime.
I have all the gauges (even a 24) and prefer the 16 for everything but waterfowl....but I have to admit that the 12 is the most universal gauge.
Chaingang wrote:If gas autoloader is what you seek, i would seriously take a look at the Beretta 3901 (made in USA). This model is a re-packaged a390 which was the predecessor to the A391 Urika. Beretta decided to keep around due to popular demand. Much less complicated than the current A391 Urika and sells for much less. I've seen them currently advertised at Gander Mountain for $600 which is just about half the cost of a A391. Darn good gun for the money....
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