Can someone give me a rundown on trials and tests?

NAVHDA, AKC, NSTRA
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Ingrid

Can someone give me a rundown on trials and tests?

Post by Ingrid » Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:17 pm

I'm new to any kind of test or trial- It seems that there are diverse types of tests, trials, and organizations.
Can someone give me a rundown on the types? Also, an idea to the cost, requirements for dogs and participants, general "flavor" of the events (and pros and cons, hopefully with opinions given diplomatically! ;) )
Thanks!
Ingrid
Oh! and if you can list the acronyms with what they stand for, that'd be great, too!
Thanks again!

sdgord

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Post by sdgord » Sat Jul 22, 2006 9:07 pm

Ingrid, the AKC website has an events drop down. There are also pages there that will explain the requirements for each level. Pointing dogs, flushing dogs and retrievers have their own divisions. The acronyms are pretty much as follows. JH junior hunter, SH senior hunter, MH master hunter, these are for hunt tests. The field trials are FC field champion, AFC is amateur field champion, DC is dual champion, a show champion with a field championship. DCAFC dual champion Amateur field champion NFC National field champion, awarded at a specific breeds championship, NAFC national amateur champion. these are field trial titles, different requirements than hunt tests.SDGORD

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Post by Greg Jennings » Sun Jul 23, 2006 7:28 am

There are many kinds of tests/trials: pointing dogs, retrievers, flushing dogs, earth dogs, coon hounds, sight hounds, etc.

It would help if we could narrow the field as to the type of dog before listing everything.

What breed of dogs do you have? We can go from there.

Best,

Ingrid

Post by Ingrid » Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:01 pm

I don't have a dog right now, but I have a deposit on a braque bourbonnais. I've had an english pointer/english setter mix and a gsp/brittany mix, my dad recently got a vizsla pup. Never been involved in trialling, just family hunting in Illinois. Curious about the scene, I guess.
Thank you for your help!
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Post by larue » Tue Jul 25, 2006 5:03 am

there are quite a few events for pointing dogs in des plains,near chicago
hunt tests,trials,ectI would go watch and learn

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Post by original mngsp » Tue Jul 25, 2006 6:16 am

I don't have a dog right now, but I have a deposit on a braque bourbonnais.
That will probably rule out any AKC events as they are open to AKC registerable breeds, and I don't believ they register of keep a stud book for Braque Bourbonnais. I know NAVHDA events will be available to you to participate in.

I'm not sure about NSTRA or any other organizations, maybe someone can add their knowledge to this thread.

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Post by ckfowler » Tue Jul 25, 2006 10:40 am

National Shoot to Retrieve NSTRA http://www.nstra.org/illinois.htm[url] ... entspg.htm
United Field Trialer's Association UFTA http://www.ufta-online.com
American Field AF http://www.americanfield.com/
American Kennel Club AKC http://www.akc.org/events/search/index. ... on=results
North American Versitile Hunting Dog Association NAHVDA http://www.navhda.org/
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Post by Ingrid » Tue Jul 25, 2006 12:25 pm

I ask this with a little hesitation, because everybody seems to have strong feelings about their favorite way of doing things- but can someone diplomatically characterize these clubs? It would help me kind of get the feel for what actually happens, but the last thing I want to do is start any kind of arguement!
Thanks again for all your help!
Ingrid

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Post by Wagonmaster » Tue Jul 25, 2006 1:07 pm

NAVHDA is versatile dog testing. They are not field trials per se, a field trial being a competition. NAVHDA testing tests each dog to the same standard, and scores the dog. The dog is awarded a Prize I, II, or III or no Prize at all, depending on its scores on several complex tests. There is a fair amount of tracking and retrieving involved in the tests, as well as upland work.

American Field and AKC field trialing are mostly done off horseback. My personal favorite, they are looking for big running dogs with great manners on game birds. As original mngsp mentioned though, you would have to have an AKC registered dog to enter an AKC trial. In AF you could enter, but the win would not be recorded on a pedigree unless the dog is AF registered.

AKC clubs also do hunt tests, which are a test against a standard, not a field trial competition. They have three categories, from least to most difficult they are Junior Hunter, Senior Hunter and Master Hunter. All work is done in these tests by a walking handler (not horseback). AKC clubs also do walking field trials, but again, the dog would have to be AKC registered.

There are some AF subsidiary clubs such as NBHA and US Complete. Don't know much about those except you will find some foot handled trials there. Cover Dog trials, called Grouse Trials at an earlier time, are also all foot handled and are run on wild native ruffed grouse and woodcock (ugh!).

Last but not least, NSTRA is all foot handled. It is partly objective and partly subjective. "x" number of birds are planted in a field, each team gets 30 minutes, score is partly a judges score on quality of point and retrieve and partly objective (how many birds did the team get). All birds found are shot and reduced to bag (if the handler can hit it!).

There is also a Tournament Hunting Association in some areas (that is maybe not the exact name), similar to NSTRA.

original mngsp is right. with a bracque, since it is not an AKC recognized breed, AKC may not be open to you. I do think, if you look through the AKC Rulebook, though, you may find a rule allowing dogs of non-AKC registrable breeds to participate on some kind of basis. Not sure, never had the issue myself.

Probably NAVHDA is your best bet, they have their own registry and it does include bracques, or NSTRA or Tournament Hunters which do not have a registration requirement.

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Post by Greg Jennings » Wed Jul 26, 2006 7:31 am

NAVHDA is a good bet with the Braque. Recommend you contact a chapter and go to a training day. Look toward the Natural Ability test with your pup.

AKC would also be open to you with your dad's V. Recommend you visit a hunt test, watch and learn. The Junior Hunter test isn't very demanding but can be frustrating.

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Ingrid

Post by Ingrid » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:55 pm

Thank you!
I've emailed a couple of people, so I guess I will see where it goes from there!
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Post by Adam » Wed Aug 02, 2006 5:42 pm

Ingrid,

I see you're from chicago you have to NAVHDA chapters very close to you i belong to both but have only attended one training day each The Northern Illinois Chapter is having a training day at seneca Hunt club on the 13th if you have questions or need help with anything let me know i'm not far outside the city

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Post by hoffmann35 » Wed Aug 02, 2006 6:43 pm

Adam, I'm going to join up to that chapter pretty soon. What can I expect from them and is there anything that I will need or need to do besides joining? I'll be getting my pup in 5 weeks or so, and I need to do some planning. thanks

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Post by Ingrid » Wed Aug 02, 2006 9:03 pm

Yes, please let me know the details! I emailed the person I thought I was supposed to, but I have yet to hear back, this was last week, I think. I might have the wrong email?
Is this for Aug. 13?
Thanks!!
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Post by Adam » Wed Aug 02, 2006 10:53 pm

Hoffman&Ingrid,

The few people i met at the last Norther iL training day were great One difference between the Northern and Illinois chapter is communication it took me emailing 3 different people before i got information on just joining the northern chapter. If you're interested in joining the northern chapter i'd suggest just showing up to the training day on the 13th and just joining that way even if you dont have dogs yet its good to just get out and meet some people that way when yo uget your pups you'll be a little more comfortable any more questions just drop me a PM or email Thefirstdayback@yahoo.com

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Post by hoffmann35 » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:20 am

Thanks a bunch Adam, sounds like a good plan, hopefully I can make it the 13th.

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Post by Adam » Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:52 pm

look forward to seeing you out there I drive a silverish tundra and i'll only have my 5 month old shorthair out there with me come up and say hi

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