Where are the Irish?
Where are the Irish?
Just curious why you don't see very many Irish Setters anymore? When I was a kid it seemed like one or another of my dad's friends always had one. The local know it all says the hunt has been bread out of them and they are mostly show dogs now. Any truth to that? They are a beautiful animal!!
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Your local know it all don't!
This is a dog in Ray Dohse's string
or you could look here for more info.
http://redsetters.blogspot.com/
This is a dog in Ray Dohse's string
or you could look here for more info.
http://redsetters.blogspot.com/
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I don't know much but what I've been told is that through most of the late 1900's the hunting lines were pretty much bred out by the show lines. There was an effort that started in the 50's through the 80's to get the hunt back into the breed and they were crossed with some field bred English setters and then crossed back with what was left of the hunting Irish setters and the result is the "red setters" that you see around once in a while but these dogs are not eligible for AKC registration due to some political AKC drama. However, they are eligible for American Field registration and I've seen some at trials and they are really nice dogs. Recently I've also seen some field bred AKC Irish setters that looked pretty good too here in the northwest and out in North Dakota. Point is, I think they're out there and there are some good breeders working on bringing them back but they're kinda tough to find. I hope I didn't mess the background up too much but I know there are some setter guys and gals on here that'll get me squared away if I did I'd add that if you can get your hands on a good one, they seem to be real good hunters with a sweet disposition, not to mention a beautiful dog to hunt behind.
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Thanks for posting that photo. Gorgeous dog.fieldtrialcentral wrote:Your local know it all don't!
This is a dog in Ray Dohse's string
or you could look here for more info.
http://redsetters.blogspot.com/
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I am an english pointer man, through and through, but I will eventually own an American Field red setter.
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Love that photo, nice dog. By this time next year I'll start posting photo's of a pup, hopefully a bit sooner!fieldtrialcentral wrote:Your local know it all don't!
This is a dog in Ray Dohse's string
or you could look here for more info.
http://redsetters.blogspot.com/
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There are several out there. I know That Wild Mountain Brittanys has a Red and White Irish Setter.
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The Irish Red and White setter is a totally different breed. AKC Irish are mostly bred for the Conformation ring, although many do participate in Hunt Tests and other performance venues. There are several kennels that concentrate on field trial breeding (Brophy comes to mind). We will be hosting the ISCA National Walking Field Trial and Hunt Test in northeastern Oklahoma next spring if anyone would like a look at the breed in a field setting.3Britts wrote:There are several out there. I know That Wild Mountain Brittanys has a Red and White Irish Setter.
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If I remember correctly, the red and white is the original and the red irish setter was bred from the red and white. It is kind of like calling the differing cocker spaniels different breeds. Not a totally different breed, just different color for conformation purposes.
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beautiful dog in the pic!
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I hate when we bread them. It takes away from the flavor. :roll:
They are out there. More and more IRISH people are pushing themselves to work on the breeds original intent as a bird dog. I'm a fan of allowing the dual registry for the reds in Akc. With time, I have hopes it will happen. Brophy Irish setters are renowned for their field abilities, while other Irish breeders like mythodical, Russell, and bright star Irish are all prominent dual breeders with several DC's amongst the three of them.
If you're ever in ks, you're welcome to see mine.
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Ps Cajun, will you be at the nwft in ok?
They are out there. More and more IRISH people are pushing themselves to work on the breeds original intent as a bird dog. I'm a fan of allowing the dual registry for the reds in Akc. With time, I have hopes it will happen. Brophy Irish setters are renowned for their field abilities, while other Irish breeders like mythodical, Russell, and bright star Irish are all prominent dual breeders with several DC's amongst the three of them.
If you're ever in ks, you're welcome to see mine.
Kelli
Ps Cajun, will you be at the nwft in ok?
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Well, I suppose I should show up and apologize personally to anyone tapped to judge because of me, but hope springs eternal for a zombie apocalypse. If all goes well, I will be setting up for another venue the following weekend. The regular club trial will be two weeks after the NWFT, so it will be a busy month.KwikIrish wrote: Ps Cajun, will you be at the nwft in ok?
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Onk -
If you want to see a couple of pictures of an Irish Setter that was the real deal, punch up this name:
Speedy Edie O'Floin
All I will say is that, win or lose, that little girl made the little hairs on the back of your neck stand straight out. She was something else.
They don't come any better than Edie...and that is from a diehard pointer person.
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If you want to see a couple of pictures of an Irish Setter that was the real deal, punch up this name:
Speedy Edie O'Floin
All I will say is that, win or lose, that little girl made the little hairs on the back of your neck stand straight out. She was something else.
They don't come any better than Edie...and that is from a diehard pointer person.
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I just googled her and looked at some pictures, she looked very intense and has an extremely good build for running...wow. I see Zygalinski and Rankin put her up in the NFC...I cant wait to ask them
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Hey, no love for me? John Carroccio and I put her up in 2006.....Ziggy never has had an original thought, he was just followin' the leader.
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hate when we bread them. It takes away from the flavor.
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I have never owned or trained an Irish Setter but I have seen them out working and competing in trials. I liked what I saw.
As I understand it the original Irish Setters were red and whites but fashion took over and more and more people belonging to both the work camp and the show camp began to breed for red only. The breed then split again into work type and show type .... the show type being considerably larger and far more profusely feathered. I have never seen a show type "working" I doubt if it is still in them to work to any standard.
About 20 years ago here some folk began trying to resucitate the red and white setters as working dogs. These folk were fortunate that a few good working dogs still remained. I saw some of the resucitated show types working during a training seminar I helped take some years ago. Some progress has been made and a few of the dogs I saw were fairly impressive. I think I'd have to travel to Ireland to see the real "goers" in action though.
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As I understand it the original Irish Setters were red and whites but fashion took over and more and more people belonging to both the work camp and the show camp began to breed for red only. The breed then split again into work type and show type .... the show type being considerably larger and far more profusely feathered. I have never seen a show type "working" I doubt if it is still in them to work to any standard.
About 20 years ago here some folk began trying to resucitate the red and white setters as working dogs. These folk were fortunate that a few good working dogs still remained. I saw some of the resucitated show types working during a training seminar I helped take some years ago. Some progress has been made and a few of the dogs I saw were fairly impressive. I think I'd have to travel to Ireland to see the real "goers" in action though.
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Didn't mean to dis on DanWyndancer wrote:Hey, no love for me? John Carroccio and I put her up in 2006.....Ziggy never has had an original thought, he was just followin' the leader.
Well...tell us about the performance
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IRISH are in 7th place this year .go ND
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There are some phenomenal dogs who play in all venues on your side of the pond in Germany and Norway. I know nothing of your country's show dog except what I've seen imported and I've never seen them work.Trekmoor wrote:I have never owned or trained an Irish Setter but I have seen them out working and competing in trials. I liked what I saw.
As I understand it the original Irish Setters were red and whites but fashion took over and more and more people belonging to both the work camp and the show camp began to breed for red only. The breed then split again into work type and show type .... the show type being considerably larger and far more profusely feathered. I have never seen a show type "working" I doubt if it is still in them to work to any standard.
About 20 years ago here some folk began trying to resucitate the red and white setters as working dogs. These folk were fortunate that a few good working dogs still remained. I saw some of the resucitated show types working during a training seminar I helped take some years ago. Some progress has been made and a few of the dogs I saw were fairly impressive. I think I'd have to travel to Ireland to see the real "goers" in action though.
Bill T.
I am impressed with how many of these "show dogs" have retained the instinct. They might not be to your "standard" but who are they to care of that? I'm just happy to see this push towards more breeders considering the field aspect.
I witnessed a female Irish win an award of merit at the Irish national show from the field trial bitch class turn around and win the amature stake at our Irish walking national amongst a respectable entry.
She preformed to someone's standard that day, and there are more like her out there.
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JIM K wrote:IRISH are in 7th place this year .go ND
Someone ought to bread those Irish.
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It was 6 years ago...I can't recall the dogs from last weekend. I do however have something from the reporter Jim Baker.
The 2006 Irish Setter Club of America National Field Champion is
AFC Speedy Edie O’Floin (Edie).
Edie is a four year old Lady with speed and hunt to burn. She is owned/handled by Jack Flynn and watching the two of them is a treat. Edie is a handful but every time your scribe thought she had slipped her mooring lines, she showed exactly where she needed to be. Edie ran in the second brace of the first morning and laid down a wonderful race only to be rewarded by one non-productive. Possibly this was our first lesson concerning wild birds.
At the end of the stake, Edie was called back for a second hour. Braced with Brownhaven’s Shinning Symmetry (Emily), these two were the cream of the Championship but neither had satisfied the judges with their birdwork. They broke away on Course 2 and ran for the Championship. Emily’s race will be detailed later in the report. Edie was once again a handful and was brought to the front more than once but settled in and produced a wonderful race. At 30, Judge Carroccio rode up a covey and called their flight. Edie hunting in the area worked through, on her own, and pointed a small portion of the covey. The birds lifted before her handler could flush but all was in order. Edie’s style and manners were excellent. She finished strongly and at pick up, there was no doubt that we had a worthy National Champion.
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Onk wrote: The local know it all says the hunt has been bread out of them and they are mostly show dogs now. Any truth to that? They are a beautiful animal!!
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Here's one a fellow I know has
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I love the looks of these dogs, great pic! Hear they are a bit hard headed by nature...true/false?
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Thats a fine looking hound
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As with most breeds, some are hard headed, but a good number are natural pleasers or pretty close.Onk wrote:I love the looks of these dogs, great pic! Hear they are a bit hard headed by nature...true/false?
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Dr. Boser runs some of the nicest dogs out you will find anywhere. He has won all breed competition on the prairies, in the north east and in the south.
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Dont you guys know red dogs cant hunt.
This one is new and from Russell. I think I will be looking to Brophy for my next one.
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This one is new and from Russell. I think I will be looking to Brophy for my next one.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g79/R ... G_4015.jpg
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g79/R ... G_4104.jpg
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Russell is a good friend of mine and has produced some nice dogs. I spent about 4 months with her in Canada and on the California circuit picking her brain. Knowledgable woman. She recently new a bitch to a Brophy dog out of California. I'm excited to see these puppies develop.
Thanks for sharing pics.
Thanks for sharing pics.
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YesWildweeds wrote:Russell as in Susan?
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KwikIrish wrote:Russell is a good friend of mine and has produced some nice dogs. I spent about 4 months with her in Canada and on the California circuit picking her brain. Knowledgable woman. She recently new a bitch to a Brophy dog out of California. I'm excited to see these puppies develop.
Thanks for sharing pics.
I was offered a puppy from this breeding and had to turn it down. Need something more in the summer for timing.
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That's too bad Ryan. I would also take a puppy if the timing and situation were right. She also has a young dog named "John" who I dream of taking off her hands.RyanGSP wrote:KwikIrish wrote:Russell is a good friend of mine and has produced some nice dogs. I spent about 4 months with her in Canada and on the California circuit picking her brain. Knowledgable woman. She recently new a bitch to a Brophy dog out of California. I'm excited to see these puppies develop.
Thanks for sharing pics.
I was offered a puppy from this breeding and had to turn it down. Need something more in the summer for timing.
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Is that from her Tate x Rumor breedings?KwikIrish wrote:That's too bad Ryan. I would also take a puppy if the timing and situation were right. She also has a young dog named "John" who I dream of taking off her hands.RyanGSP wrote:KwikIrish wrote:Russell is a good friend of mine and has produced some nice dogs. I spent about 4 months with her in Canada and on the California circuit picking her brain. Knowledgable woman. She recently new a bitch to a Brophy dog out of California. I'm excited to see these puppies develop.
Thanks for sharing pics.
I was offered a puppy from this breeding and had to turn it down. Need something more in the summer for timing.
That was the breeding that produced our boy Guiness.
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Yes it is. Is that the dog in the pictures?
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Irish Setters took 1st and 2nd place in a decent sized stake in Texas recently.
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So, you have a Tatertot....... Been a while since I've seen Tate on game. T likes him well enough.RyanGSP wrote:
Is that from her Tate x Rumor breedings?
That was the breeding that produced our boy Guiness.
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Here's a couple pics of our two red setters, Robert, and his mother Ruby. The one pic is of my husband with our two red dogs hunting quail in eastern Washington. The other pic is Robert and me hunting ruffed grouse in Sept. (didn't get any that day)
The red setters I know all have extremely lovable, interesting, personalities and are avid hunters. Ours are also house pets and constant companions. I know it will sound typical, but my red guy, Robert, is awesome. I love him to pieces. And, he has NOT been a perfect dog.
The red setters I know all have extremely lovable, interesting, personalities and are avid hunters. Ours are also house pets and constant companions. I know it will sound typical, but my red guy, Robert, is awesome. I love him to pieces. And, he has NOT been a perfect dog.
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KwikIrish wrote:Yes it is. Is that the dog in the pictures?
The last 3 links are from the Tate x Rumore breeding.
The pictures posted are of our last girl Bailey.
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Nice photo's Fran. When Robert breads (lol) Breelie this spring, tell him to take his time and do it just right. Little soft music, nice wine and a good cigar! I hate this waiting!
KwikIrish. Never wait for the right time. The right time is when the pup you want is there and you have the money. I like summer pups and hold them back the first hunting season. But if the pup came along in late winter or early spring, I'd take it and do some re-planning.
KwikIrish. Never wait for the right time. The right time is when the pup you want is there and you have the money. I like summer pups and hold them back the first hunting season. But if the pup came along in late winter or early spring, I'd take it and do some re-planning.
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I've always had a soft spot for Irish Setters and was delighted to have the opportunity to photograph some from Irish lines in France hunting snipe and red-legged partridges last year. I am looking forward to photographing some American-bred dogs in the US this spring/summer and then going to Ireland to photograph some in their native land.
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My new pup is from Susan's Brophy Rio Grande X Russell Kibou. So far this pup is showing great potential, really love what Susan has done with her program.KwikIrish wrote:Russell is a good friend of mine and has produced some nice dogs. I spent about 4 months with her in Canada and on the California circuit picking her brain. Knowledgable woman. She recently new a bitch to a Brophy dog out of California. I'm excited to see these puppies develop.
Thanks for sharing pics.
Hey Ryan I remember you from years ago on Versatiledogs.com Your pictures of your old Irish started me on the path to wanting an irish.