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TRI TRONICS PRO CONTROL G3 Pro Control System

Postby Scott » Fri Dec 08, 2006 10:38 am

Has anyone used these to create remote launchers or for any other remote training systems? I really like the Tri-Tronics collars that I have purchased. I don't know anyone who has used the Pro Controllers though. Seems like you pay a bit more for TT stuff but the service is great! If anyone has some pro's and con's of them I would sure appreciate all the info. Seems like Wagonmaster had mentioned using them at one point??

Also I notice that each receiver operates two launchers close together for a "flush" type scenario. Seems like a great idea too. But has anyone used them for this?

Thanks in advance for the posts.

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Postby Lab Man » Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:40 am

You can use one reciever and run a wire to another launcher. In my opinion this will work related to the cover you have. I personally do not do it in Iowa because our cover is dense enough that its a pain. I just use a remote for each launcher. Tri-tronics and Dogtra are the best remote release systems on the market. They both have great customer service also. Good luck
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Postby Wagonmaster » Fri Dec 08, 2006 2:54 pm

I am not quite sure from the product designation which units you are talking about. By that I mean, I think I read somewhere that they were going to produce a G3 version of the remote releaser, but I didn't think it is out yet, whereas the G3 and G2 EXP ecollar products are out. I have the Pro Control, which is not the G3. I can tell you about that.

The first thing you need to understand is that the TT remote release unit is just the electronics. It consists of a transmitter and whatever number of receivers you want to buy up to a max number. I am not sure what that is, it is either 8 or 12, but way more than most of us would worry about.

The transmitter has a dial with which you can select the number of the receiver (i.e. receiver #1) you want to control. The transmitter also has a green button, red button and yellow button. The yellow button activates a horn, so you have a locate feature for our example receiver #1. The green button and red button each operate one of two traps that can be attached to that receiver. In practice you would mount the receiver on one trap, and one button would activate that trap. The second trap would be connected to the remote unit via an extension wire with a max length of 15'.

As you note, I use that feature alot so I can get two flushes in one spot. That way the dog learns if it stays broke after the first flush, there may be a second one there. And it learns not to let down after the flush also, which is nice for field trialing.

The TT receiver is just a radio receiver. Since receivers are expensive, the extension cord saves quite a bit over the alternative of just setting out two traps (or more) in one area, each activated by their own built in receiver.

Since the TT is just the electronics, though, you also have to purchase traps and electical trap triggers. You can use pretty much any trap you want. I use the EZ's. There are three sizes. If you want to, you can buy a couple of different sizes and if you change from using say quail, to using chukar, you can unmount the TT and the electric triggers from your quail size trap and mount them on your chukar sized trap. Traps are cheap.

I actually do this. I usually have quail in the spring and early summer in my johnny house, and then chukar in the fall and winter. The chukar traps are a little big for quail, they can wiggle out of them, and the quail traps are too small to throw a chukar well.

Then in addition you need an electric trap trigger for each trap. The TT remote receiver just generates and electric signal or current, you need the electric trigger to take that current and convert it to mechanical means of triggering the trap. The guts of the trigger is a solenoid that moves a lever, with a battery to power the solenoid. The lever pounds down the triggering mechanism of the trap, resulting in the trap opening. For the EZ's, the trigger is about $85 per trap I believe, but you could look on www.lcsupply.com or www.gundogsupply.com . Even if you use the extension idea, you need one trigger per trap.


SOOOO, to run one setup of two traps connected by extension cord, you have one TT transmitter and one receiver, two electric triggers, two traps, and of course the extension cord. This would not be cheap, but to do the same with the traps that come with the remote receiver built in, such as the DT, is even more expensive because you would in effect be buying two remote receivers rather than one, in addition to the two traps and the two triggers.

I have two sets of two traps, each with one TT remote receiver. That saves around $500 in the purchase cost compared to units with built in receivers.

There are other devices that work with the TT remote. The Zinger Winger is an example. Most of them are retriever type stuff and fairly expensive. I don't have any of them.

I have had a thought, and that is that if I could design the right mechanism that would pop something up, I could use the TT remote receiver to make a pop up backer board for training backing. Innotek is the only company that makes that, and because of the quality issue I am really reluctant to use Innoteks, so I just use the manual backer boards.

It all works for me.
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Postby Scott » Sun Dec 10, 2006 4:43 pm

Wagonmaster,

Thanks alot for your reply. I really appreciate the information on the TT. Sounds like the way to go for me as I already have several of the mechanical EZ type launchers. I also like the fact that TT is located just a few miles from my house and so far they have given me great service.

Thanks again for all the great info about the electronics. I sure appreciate
it.

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Postby Springer » Sun Dec 10, 2006 7:32 pm

John,
Do you have a link to the trap trigger?
I have two pheasant size launchers that I built the radio remote releases but have also since bought a couple of Dogtra launchers with the remote.
I think I would maybe like to rig up the other launchers with my dogtra remote.
The dogtra units have to either be ordered with the right frequency or be sent in to work with the remote. That is one advantage that TT has over Dogtra. I believe the DT systems can be self programed.
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Postby Wagonmaster » Sun Dec 10, 2006 9:41 pm

I think this is it. There was no photo though, so I would call and make sure. http://www.lcsupply.com/Product/Bird-Eq ... chers.html

Looking for that link I was reminded that EZ has two types of launchers, one is just a box and the lid opens when the trigger is hit. The other has mesh that catapults the bird into the air. I use the catapult type. It makes sure the bird flies on release.
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Postby Scott » Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:28 pm

Thanks again for all of the information Wagonmaster. I hope to get the launchers up and running this weekend as I just got in all the parts.

I really like your idea about the auto backer because it would be so easy to add a launcher onto the receiver. Great idea if I figure that one out I will let you know. There never seems to be enough time in the day....
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Postby Wagonmaster » Thu Dec 14, 2006 2:34 pm

Innotek does it for dog backers. And their are pop up target devices for military and police use. So it can be done.
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Postby gonehuntin' » Thu Dec 14, 2006 8:55 pm

Wagonmaster, on another board guys are screaming bloody murder over the unreliability and poor service of the G3. I've never had a problem with any TT product I've ever owner other than the old bird launchers. From what I understand, it is something with programing the unit. Any insights?
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Postby Wagonmaster » Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:17 am

If you are talking about the G3 ecollar, I don't have one and so don't have a clue. I have a G2 Pro 500, the model just prior to the G3 and G2 EXP. I am going to take a guess, though, and say it has to do with the multiple collar feature of the G3/G2 EXP. It sounds easy ("Use it with up to six collars") but it is not six collars at one time, and the collars have to be initialized to the transmitter and then you have to make sure you have the transmitter set on the correct collar, say the dog you are running, so you don't zap the dog sitting in the crate back in the truck minding its own business.
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Postby gonehuntin' » Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:45 am

Wagonmaster wrote:If you are talking about the G3 ecollar


Yes, you are correct. As I understand the problem, when you try to program them for other collars, something goes wrong, the user can't reprogram them, and they have to be sent back to TT. I still use my old two dog 500 and have never had a problem.
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Postby BlacknTan » Tue Dec 26, 2006 9:45 am

I've used the TT Pro Controls for the past three years. They're not G3 units, but in the Pro Control products, I believe that the differences are purely cosmetic. The receivers are the same.
The TT Pro Controls have been totally reliable and bulletproof for me. I've got some of the defunct Grain Valley traps and a number of the ancient TT Stewart type traps.
When you push the button, the trap goes. Period!
I find the use of a wire between two closely planted traps to be more of a headache than it's worth. It works, yes, but, I found myself or the dog running through cover to invariably trip on the wire and pull the wire from it's socket. Result? An inoperable trap! And I don't need that. When the timing is right, I want that trap to work. NOW!
I like TT's electronics. Always have. A friend has Innotek traps, Very unreliable, and he should know better.
The TT Pro Control coupled with old TT traps or new quality traps is an unbeatable system from my experience..
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Postby kninebirddog » Tue Dec 26, 2006 10:48 am

I saw a demo of the g3 transmitter....One thing i didn't care for was how you switched from dog 1 2and 3 i could quickly see where dog 2 could be over clicked...I think sportdog is a little better set up on that

but everything else seemed to look OK it was a demo so still would like to see a real unit for a total comparison to the sportdog but glad to see TT making an effort of the average joe out there

as for launchers..by far the best on the market is the DT
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Postby Razor » Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:25 pm

I have the Pro 500 EXP. I do not think it could be made simpler. Adding a collar take about 10 seconds and is a piece of cake. I have never been happier with a collar. The new collars are also able to be programed by you to use on the old G2 stuff. If you lose a collar you are able to quickly program a collar, rather than order a new one from TT.
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Postby Scott » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:07 pm

Well I finally got my launchers up and running. Hunting season slowed me down a bit. I decided to use a servo instead of a solonoid.

What I ended up using is a servo from Winger Zinger as the actuator mechanism. The servos are something like $29 a piece from Winger Zinger and work great. They plug right into the TT controler. They suggested that I use the servo instead of the solonoid. They have both options available. Apparently the servos work better in dusty dry areas. Arizona qualifies for that. I havent tested the launchers out to any real distance yet but they work out to at least a 100 yards.

I really like how you can simulate a covey flush with them as each controller will launch 2 birds. My dogs have gotten kinda used to seeing just one bird rise it seems. The release of a second bird has really mixed things up for them.

I highly recomend this product if you already have manual launchers and want to convert them.

The next project will have to be an automatic backer using the Tri Tronics G3 Pro Controller. I will have to see if I can get a picture of the mechanical portion of the backer to see how they work. Does anyone out there have one? Or has anyone seen one that has been made?
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Postby kninebirddog » Tue Feb 20, 2007 8:44 pm

I have the G3 right now
out of the box...impression

It will be fine for a 2 dog system..find getting it on the middle section while in hand for the middle collar hard to do..all the way up one collar and all the way down for the other collar...the middle is hard to get set on

only has 1/2mile range pending terrain ..for average back yard work this is fine

Buzz feature...not a feature i use..but I also was listening to the new receivers
Which now have the G2 pro 100 exp

on the higher settings the receivers make a lot of noise when in stimulation mode..so buzz is going to mean correction if a dog has a higher stimulation level.

I do like the way it feels in the hand...but for field training for your larger running dogs I think it will fall short for that
I am going to test it out more ...but I am going to be reserved as I know it is new but i have been put on a mission to see what I like and dislike about the collar and use it and abuse it

gonna be hard because

as for a training collar I so far love my Pro 100 EXP which I also just got...I looked at the 500 but..if i want momentary I just tap the continuous button so the 100 was the best option for what I do from training to guiding best bang for the buck I have 18 levels of continuous and 18 levels of momentary by just tapping the button which i have done for years with my classic 70's i have

Will speak more about the G3 I have the basic it has enough to mess with the combo has to many features which judging from this basic it would become to complicated to use efficiently over the basic

the levels on the G3 are efficient enough to handle any basic stuff a person wants to do for yard work or close work stuff

So yes a new model trying to get on the band wagon for those who don't want to pay for a top model e collar s yes there are some things to iron out

But Tri Tronics does have great customer service mostly only needed when an older model begins to have some issues

I have tried some other collars but have always ended up back with Tri Tronics because they are the most reliable and MADE IN AMERICA

Scott if you want come on up and I will let you check out the G3 for your self
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Postby Scott » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:08 pm

Hey Arlette,

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I actually already have the G3 100 2 collar set up. I love it. I usually have it and would have loaned it to you to try out.

In fact I like the G3 stuff so well that I ended up going with the G3 pro controllers. They are used to operate bird launchers, backers, etc. The controller looks real similar to your g3 except it has 10 settings for 10 different receivers. Each receiver can control 2 launchers. Which is the way I have them set up right now. You can just buy a simple servo, fasten it to a manual launcher and you are up and running.

The next project I want to set up is a remote backer with the G3 Pro Controler. If you have seen how they mechanically work be sure to let me know. I would like to make one that resets itself. I am not sure if I can or not.





So far I like them. I will bring them up to show you the next time I am up your way.
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Postby kninebirddog » Tue Feb 20, 2007 9:28 pm

I finally became a Tri Tronics Influentials member so come on up
I would like to see what you have set up...like to see all the new stuff


The G3 I am testing out is the basic...
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