pics of my new little fireball

terryg · Post by **terryg** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:27 pm

this is my new little girl "Eider" at 8 weeks of age.

i got the quail dokken for her cause it was her size but she loves the pheasant size too. the fact that it is as big as her doesn't deter her at all!

looking forward to a great fall.

terryg · Post by **terryg** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:28 pm

[img][img]http://www.hunt101.com/img/143417.jpg[/img][/img]

terryg · Post by **terryg** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 2:30 pm

Eider at 7 weeks with a wing

[img][img]http://www.hunt101.com/img/143413.jpg[/img][/img]

ccl20 · Post by **ccl20** » Mon Apr 26, 2004 6:08 pm

nice looking pup. she will be a blast to train

ccl20 · Post by **ccl20** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 6:25 pm

i agree with grousehunter. the color of the dog is just a color, the rest is genetics. my chac. was a blast to train. i learned a lot from here, and she leanred a lot from me. i found it very simple to train her, and i couldnt of asked for a better dog.

B-townhunter · Post by **B-townhunter** » Tue Apr 27, 2004 9:38 pm

here we go about the color issue, this can go on for ever...color has nothing to do with brains!

Lisalongun · Post by **Lisalongun** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 1:32 am

ccl20 - That's cool - I am glad you have found your choc biddable and a good worker - just goes to show that I may be wrong. However, I was merely stating that the chocolates I have trained - and still do train, if in my class, are not quite as quick as their black or yellow cousins. Maybe it is their lack of breeding here in the UK.

HOWEVER, I thought this site was a friendly site where everyone was free to air their opinions.
What I do not appreciate is the fact that someone who does not even know my background, can slate my training history, without even giving any valid comments such as yours.

I have trained dogs for over 12 years, 2 of which were professionally at Hearing Dogs for Deaf People. I teach classes where I see ALL dogs, including crossbreeds (more can be learnt from them than any purebred) - - lacking as a trainer? - ask the hundreds of people I have trained - (www.puppytime.co.uk)

Surely the idea of 'Forums' is to discuss, in a civilised manner our passion for dogs. Like I said in another post - if you cannot continue learning then you can't be a real trainer. Nobody know every single thing about dog training - as dogs are all different - like us they are thinking, sentient beings.

So for someone to say 'you're crap' when they don't know the first thing about me is DOWNRIGHT IGNORANT AND RUDE.

Lisa

Just as quick p.s. Here in the UK we have used black and yellows for years, it has only been recently that the browns have started to work, having been initially bred as chocolates for the show lines. Like I said maybe it is their lack of good working breeding stock?

grousehunter · Post by **grousehunter** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 12:09 pm

So for someone to say 'you're crap' when they don't know the first thing about me is DOWNRIGHT IGNORANT AND RUDE.

So for you to say Chocolate Labs are lacking in the brain department is also ignorant. Its fine to have opinions but when those "opinions" are just flat out wrong then you can probably expect to be challenged on it.

ccl20 · Post by **ccl20** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 3:36 pm

Lisalongun, sorry if you took my response offensively, but I was only agreeing with the fact that color isn’t the issue. I was not agreeing with what type of trainer you are. For all I know you could be an excellent trainer, and from what you posted you sound like a very skilled trainer. I was just agreeing with the fact that color doesn’t seem to have an affect, your experiences with labs are different with mine, and my experiences with labs are different with millions of other people. that’s why everyone favors there own sporting dog, cars, colors ect. Sorry if you found my post offensive.

Lisalongun · Post by **Lisalongun** » Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:30 pm

Hi Grousehunter,

Surely that is the whole point of discussions on these forums - if you look at my original post I did not state that Chocolates WERE lacking in the brains department - I said I found them to be lacking - but obviously this is based on my experiences here in the UK. Perhaps our lines that are being bred over here are not quite as advanced as yours - I am sure there are many factors.

I like to challenge things, so that I can learn and progress as a trainer - we all should.

If you have Chocolates that work/train hard for you then I am pleased. And that is the main aim - that we enjoy our dogs.

terryg · Post by **terryg** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 12:08 pm

[img][img]http://www.hunt101.com/img/145486.bmp[/img][/img]

this is my dogs mom, sally, 1 leg left on a sh. her dad is Cuda's Blue Ryder you can plug his name into a search engine and you can read about him.

she just happens to be chocolate. i don't buy dogs for color. i buy good ones. they will come in whatever color they are.

Lisalongun · Post by **Lisalongun** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:30 pm

Cool pic - the url link doesn't seem to work tho - had to copy and paste - any chance we can see the pic a little bigger?

Lisa

terryg · Post by **terryg** » Thu Apr 29, 2004 1:41 pm

sorry lisa can't get any bigger cause fo being bitmap. try this websight. if you click on the pics of the parents it will give you more info and the pedigrees.

http://www.fnfretrievers.com/puppies.html

Lisalongun · Post by **Lisalongun** » Fri Apr 30, 2004 3:13 pm

See - I told you guys. I'm glad it's not just me......

Helen wrote: Also, chocolate labs - from my limited experience, they don't have as much working ability as the others. That is in the UK.
Helen

This is from a thread about goldenadoodles

Lisa

p.s. my experience a little more wide tho

Country-Side Breeders · Post by **Country-Side Breeders** » Sat May 01, 2004 6:44 am

I've had, raised and hunted with all 3 colors of the lab. From my experience and in my opinion, I've found the yellow to be the most laid back and easy going, the brown to be the most temperamental and worse of the 3 in disposistion, and the black to be the "norm" of the term Lab. Again, JMO. There are so many different lines of labs out there that every post on this subject could very well be correct...not to mention that everyone has their own definition for each word.

thegundog.com · Post by **thegundog.com** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:12 pm

Just found the site and could not let this thread die out.
I have been reading and writing about the possibility of the chocolate Labs inherited challenges since the very beginning of the internet. Although I have seen many good chocolates out of the literally hundreds that I have trained in the last 25 years, I too will have to admit that there does seem to be some differences in the three colors. Think back to all the Chocolate Labs that you have seen over your lifetime and compare them to blacks or yellows. Which of the three did you notice as having shorter legs, stockier bodys, shorter necks, a more pointed nose, and more discipline challenges. Again, not all, but percentage wise....... Be honest.
Most owners or breeders of Chocolates will blindly defend their faithful companions, but in my humble opinion it is the breeding for a specific color in order to meet the public demand for a certain color or family pet that has contributed to the somewhat consistant problems with many chocolates.

I have no axe to grind with chocolates, they pay the same to train as yellows or blacks. Just making an observation as a trainer and not as a breeder or owner. I look forward to your responses.
Please indicate whether you are an owner, breeder, or trainer that has trained at least 30 of each color. You really need to train at least that many to make an educated comparison.