Just curious as to the explanation

[ACooper]

Coop BDZ turns everything he replys to into this same aregument & it makes no difference where he copied it he did it for one purpose only.
I know you hunted with him this past winter & had a good time but now that you have joined the FT ranks your dogs won't be good enough to hunt with his.

Maybe you can get him to enter his dogs in a few FT & show us all up!!

Ted I cant argue your point, I am/was not defending, BDZ is an adult and capable of taking up for himself, if he is able to post again.

I did hunt with him last fall and hope to make a trip back to ND to hunt this year. This doesn't mean that we do or have to agree on everything or anything for that matter. All I can say is we had a good time and he was a good guy in person. What we do have in common is a love for hunting pheasants.

BTW I would have never imagined there where so many pheasants in ND! Holy Mackerel!

[jayhawkj]

BDZ strikes me as a guy I would love to hunt with!

[birddogger]

It doesn't seem fair that a quail or a dove or a duck has to sacrifice its life to satisfy the ego of a shooter, when this urge can be so easily answered at a skeet field or a sporting clay field

I am sorry, but this really struck a nerve with me. Hunting has always been a part of my life and it has nothing to do with ego [at least for me]. I enjoy the solitude and serenity of being in the woods and fields and it is a great stress relief for me. I also enjoy harvesting game and enjoying it at the dinner table, as my family does. I don't wish to take anything away from this great dog man, but PETA would love this statement!

Charlie

[kninebirddog]

Charlie
I had to think about that line also but in truth it does pertain to those that feel the need to measure conquests. For some it is about how big the pile and until the mature or see the light they will always have to measure their conquests to make themselves feel important

[birddogger]

k9, you are right, but I think what bothered me most was the comment on why the different game birds should have to sacrifice their life. After all, they are prey.

Charlie

[Vonzeppelinkennels]

Coop that is my point about hunting & trialing it's 2 different things we all would like to hunt birds that BDZ is so lucky to have access to. Do you really think it takes a above average dog to fingd birds where they are thick as flies? BDZ needs to see just how well his dogs do in FT before he has a right to say FT dogs can't find birds.
RGD his twin needs to do the same they both think alike. They choose to be disliked & if he is not allowed back he made that choice by his refusal to abide by the rules.
I really doubt he is missed!!
JMO

[nikegundog]

How many field trials would one have to attend to comment on them? How many wild bird hunts would one have to go on to comment how easy or hard they are?

[kninebirddog]

k9, you are right, but I think what bothered me most was the comment on why the different game birds should have to sacrifice their life. After all, they are prey.

Charlie

It is the Mind set about how someone goes about it. If it is just about filling a limit then the process and the harvest isn't respected.

I trial I guide I hunt.. Biggest thing is I enjoy my dogs and I as much as anyone else do not appreciate when someone bashes what I enjoy or belittles what I do but then I do not try and smash it in their face about my sand box game is better then theirs...I support what I can how I can. Thus why I posted the first time this came up about don't feed the troll picture because that is what the OP does. But yet we all try and point counterpoint...

This is what it is about Click Pics to Enlarge

[birddogger]

Agreed!

Charlie

[Neil]

I apologize if someone answered the original question, I have been away from the computer for a few days and only skimmed the many posts.

The studies (there were more than one) in which certain employees at Ames stated the less than 5% of the available quail were being pointed during the NC was based on 400 meters each side of the center line of the course. The is a half mile swath, 1/4 of mile each side!

It was during a time when the bulk of the employees at Ames had one primary function, to be sure there were wild quail. They reported the facts as substantiated by telemetry and direct observation of the dogs, it was accurate. When few birds were found, they tried to blame the dogs.

However dogs, particularly All-Age field trial dogs, do not go 440 yards to each side, which would often be far into the woods, but hunt to the front from objective to objective.

There is no doubt that the dogs missed many birds, but they did not need to stop at only 5% found, they could have made it 800 or 1200 meters to each side and counted every quail in the county.

Statistics can be made to prove most anything. If you want to believe those dogs aren't hunting, you need to come watch them.

Neil

[RayGubernat]

How many field trials would one have to attend to comment on them? How many wild bird hunts would one have to go on to comment how easy or hard they are?

I should think a few of each should give a thinking person a reasonable perspective.

Anyone can comment on anything they like. However, if the object is to comment in an intelligent fashion, a degree of familiarity with the subject matter might be appropriate.
One might also expect that the higher the degree of familiarity, that the more likely the commentary will be informed and informative.

RayG

[aidankirbywilliams]

Trialing Purists here will hate it, V Dog guys will like it.


It is a Fousek (Similar to a DD-in Czech Republic) Being Trained for field trialing IN Europe.

They cast their dogs More to the side, and in a place like Aames that is 1/2 mile wide, it would be productive..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWOjC00FuOE