Ivermectin with PEG
Ivermectin with PEG
I had a thread I posted earlier but looks like it was deleted before I even got to take a look. Is anyone pre dosing their Ivermectin in PEG for an easier dose, just looking to see what ratio you are using, I need to sit down and do the math but wanted to check it hear once I do.
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for the 1% Solution swine or cattle I use 1/10th CC per 10 lbs body weight
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birddog1968 wrote:http://www.dogaware.com/health/ivomec.html
some of that info is old they now treat dogs that are heartworm positive with ivermectin before treating the adults you can look that up on the heartworm association website
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Yes, I realize that but the dosing information is pertinent, thats why I posted it.
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I have heard Ivomec is good as well.
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Ivomec is a brand name for ivermectin.Ahumphers91a wrote:I have heard Ivomec is good as well.
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Ivomec 1% solution - 1/10 cc per 10 lbs. of dog weight
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Yes the 1% liquid should be diluted.birddog1968 wrote:Yes, I realize that but the dosing information is pertinent, thats why I posted it.
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I personally don't dilute mine.....just give them 1/10 cc per 20lbs.mcbosco wrote:Yes the 1% liquid should be diluted.birddog1968 wrote:Yes, I realize that but the dosing information is pertinent, thats why I posted it.
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I don't dilute mine either. It tastes bad and I have mercy on my dogs and put the dose in butter bread for them . 1/2 cc or less is easy to hide.
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so you just use a small MCG syrince and dose that way, I was getting mine from a retired vet who would mix it for me in PEG and it was a lot easier I would just pull 2 CC (ratio it was converted good for a dog up to 100lbs ) I'm finding less and less time go see him so I was just debating mixing it myself but guess its just as easy to give it to them straight in 1/10cc dosing
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I use the apple favored Durvet paste for $4 a tube. A half click is fine for a dog like mine.
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i didnt think about the paste, my deddy has horses and uses the paste I remember him saying thats how he gives it to his dogs too, doesn't take much I think one tube does 1,200 lbs or so....
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Yeah and the Durvet syringe is metered - each click - for 50lbs (horse dose), A half click has about 8,000 micrograms, so for a 90lb dog it is a safe dose. Now, Zymectrin meters the dose - each click - for 250lbs (horse dose), so I dont use that one. Zymectrin is made by the same company that makes Heartquard so its no wonder why they do that.luke0927 wrote:i didnt think about the paste, my deddy has horses and uses the paste I remember him saying thats how he gives it to his dogs too, doesn't take much I think one tube does 1,200 lbs or so....
For $4 it is hard to beat and I went through the dose with my vet.
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I always worry about the even distribution of the ivermectin in the pastes and glycol mix. Unfounded for sure, just always wondered.
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I wondered myself but I did speak to a large animal vet as well as the people at the farm and they use the smaller increments on the foals and smaller animals and have never noticed anything.birddog1968 wrote:I always worry about the even distribution of the ivermectin in the pastes and glycol mix. Unfounded for sure, just always wondered.
I called Durvet myself and they assured me that the Ivermectin was suspended in the gel and consisent throughout. The gel is quite thick so it would be hard for anything to settle. You can literally slice a piece off with a knife it is not liquidy by any means.
Good concern though but the product would be totally useless if the ivermectin wasn't uniform.
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So what is PEG........?luke0927 wrote:with the PEG it is all soluble so it is mixed evenly.
Propylene Glycol is commonly used to dilute Ivermectin.
Ethylene Glycol is toxic to animals.
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The distributed-equally-throughout-the-tube thing. The paste, tablets, powder or whatever you're giving is mixed in big vats - the drug or chemical and its carrier. Then it's dispensed into the tubes, vials, or plopped into the pills or tablets or whatever. So it doesn't matter which half of a tablet or pill you give, or which part of a tube of paste, or the beginning, middle, or end of a bottle (assuming what's in the bottle is all miscible and doesn't require shaking). It's like grabbing a piece of cake - all the egg or vanilla, or flour isn't in a couple of pieces (I hope! ).
The thing to think about is splitting capsules or some coated pills/tablets. Often the reason for the capsule or coating is to protect the drug from stomach juices so it can be released slowly, or released further on down the line.
The thing to think about is splitting capsules or some coated pills/tablets. Often the reason for the capsule or coating is to protect the drug from stomach juices so it can be released slowly, or released further on down the line.
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I know many many people who use it and none dilute it. Just no need to unless you need something to do.mcbosco wrote:Yes the 1% liquid should be diluted.birddog1968 wrote:Yes, I realize that but the dosing information is pertinent, thats why I posted it.
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Iverhart Max, less than $10 a month and it does tapeworms. One dog, and livestock ivermectin will expire before you use it.
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Yep it will unless you use it on your birds or share with someone else. But the important thing is it is still only a fraction of the cost of prepared preventatives.Cajun Casey wrote:Iverhart Max, less than $10 a month and it does tapeworms. One dog, and livestock ivermectin will expire before you use it.
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And, you will have to have the animal tested and on a vet prescribed product to meet health certificate requirements. There goes your big savings, if you get in that situation.ezzy333 wrote:Yep it will unless you use it on your birds or share with someone else. But the important thing is it is still only a fraction of the cost of prepared preventatives.Cajun Casey wrote:Iverhart Max, less than $10 a month and it does tapeworms. One dog, and livestock ivermectin will expire before you use it.
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CC Says Who? The only requirements in my county are Rabies.Nothing like that on a health Cert.to ship either.
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Where do you get this stuff? There is no requirements concerning heartworm that I have ever heard of and sure not on a health certificate. Just because someone spends 100 a year instead of 10 doesn't guarantee anything.Cajun Casey wrote:And, you will have to have the animal tested and on a vet prescribed product to meet health certificate requirements. There goes your big savings, if you get in that situation.ezzy333 wrote:Yep it will unless you use it on your birds or share with someone else. But the important thing is it is still only a fraction of the cost of prepared preventatives.Cajun Casey wrote:Iverhart Max, less than $10 a month and it does tapeworms. One dog, and livestock ivermectin will expire before you use it.
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Ezzy, try shipping a dog to England or Hawaii, then get back to me, okie dokie?
Ted, Delta Society, TDI, many corporate vet clinic boarding facilities and even some trainong clubs require proof of vet prescribed HW preventative.
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Well I've never seen or heard of it & doubt I will be dealing with it.
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How does one prove that a dog is receiving vet rx'ed meds They can be prescribed and even purchased but not administered. Just askin'.
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That may be the case but I would bet they just require a negative test done by a Vet rather than mandate a particular preventative.Cajun Casey wrote:Ezzy, try shipping a dog to England or Hawaii, then get back to me, okie dokie?
Ted, Delta Society, TDI, many corporate vet clinic boarding facilities and even some trainong clubs require proof of vet prescribed HW preventative.
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You're on! How much?mcbosco wrote:That may be the case but I would bet they just require a negative test done by a Vet rather than mandate a particular preventative.Cajun Casey wrote:Ezzy, try shipping a dog to England or Hawaii, then get back to me, okie dokie?
Ted, Delta Society, TDI, many corporate vet clinic boarding facilities and even some trainong clubs require proof of vet prescribed HW preventative.
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"A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past year if the dog is not on a continuous heartworm preventative medication. A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past two years if the dog is on a continuous heartworm preventative medication."
From TDI.
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That's from the National. Out of date. Locals are following the new AHA guidelines.mcbosco wrote:"A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past year if the dog is not on a continuous heartworm preventative medication. A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past two years if the dog is on a continuous heartworm preventative medication."
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Cajun Casey wrote:That's from the National. Out of date. Locals are following the new AHA guidelines.mcbosco wrote:"A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past year if the dog is not on a continuous heartworm preventative medication. A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past two years if the dog is on a continuous heartworm preventative medication."
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But what is required?
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Now this makes some sense. Having a prescribed heartworm prevetative means absolutely nothing as there is no way they can tell if you used it or what dog you used it on. Governments do some stupid things with regs but I can't believe they would require a piece of paper rather than prove the dog is heartworm free.mcbosco wrote:"A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past year if the dog is not on a continuous heartworm preventative medication. A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past two years if the dog is on a continuous heartworm preventative medication."
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Guess Casey, what you were saying is no one should use a cheaper product because some place in the world might require you to have a prescription. Right or wrong, it is just another example of useless info that doesn't have a thing to do with the topic of this thread.
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Actually, we see clients every week who have been self-medicating and don't understand why they have to get their dog tested when they want DVM certification. The local Camp BowWow franchise requires that a vet certify a monthly parasiticide is in use. The dog world is a lot bigger than that little screen, you know. I used to think the requirements on dogs were a bit much, but then, the horse entered the picture. Wowzer.ezzy333 wrote:Now this makes some sense. Having a prescribed heartworm prevetative means absolutely nothing as there is no way they can tell if you used it or what dog you used it on. Governments do some stupid things with regs but I can't believe they would require a piece of paper rather than prove the dog is heartworm free.mcbosco wrote:"A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past year if the dog is not on a continuous heartworm preventative medication. A negative Heartworm test must have been done within the past two years if the dog is on a continuous heartworm preventative medication."
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I have never dilutued mine and sometimes I give a whole cc to a 55lb or 60lb dog. It has never seemed to hurt them.mcbosco wrote:Yes the 1% liquid should be diluted.
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Ron R wrote:I have never dilutued mine and sometimes I give a whole cc to a 55lb or 60lb dog. It has never seemed to hurt them.mcbosco wrote:Yes the 1% liquid should be diluted.
A whole CC would be 10,000 mcg's or about 75 times Heartguards dose.
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It's not as bad as it sounds, most times I give a little over half cc.mcbosco wrote:Ron R wrote:I have never dilutued mine and sometimes I give a whole cc to a 55lb or 60lb dog. It has never seemed to hurt them.mcbosco wrote:Yes the 1% liquid should be diluted.
A whole CC would be 10,000 mcg's or about 75 times Heartguards dose.
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[A whole CC would be 10,000 mcg's or about 75 times Heartguards dose.[/quote]
It's not as bad as it sounds, most times I give a little over half cc.[/quote]
I know Ivermectin has a very wide margin of safety, just pointing it out.
It's not as bad as it sounds, most times I give a little over half cc.[/quote]
I know Ivermectin has a very wide margin of safety, just pointing it out.
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I have given undiluted 1/10th cc per 20 lbs for 30 years..This is what my vet told me and works great....
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snips wrote:I have given undiluted 1/10th cc per 20 lbs for 30 years..This is what my vet told me and works great....
What about the dogs you sent to S.Africa? Didn't you have 1 or 2 that went over there.
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We have sent dogs to Canada, Mexico,Serbia,Croatia,Bulgaria,Holland and Germany, all with a simple health certificate.
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Africa is a different deal..Forgot now what we did, Trudi can say. But a heartworm test has to be done within a certain time frame of shipping....And 6 mo of heartworm meds sent with them I think...As Africa does not have HW's...
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Well I for one only need Ivomec or any other brand like it for my own Dog, where I have not to worry about shipping. I don't like being taken by vet's making you pay for prescriptions for things like heart worm. Just my thought.
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"Getting taken by vets" sure seems a little strong to me... Many people don't like using things outside their indicated, designed uses. For others it is a way of life. Neither way is the only way.Ahumphers91a wrote:Well I for one only need Ivomec or any other brand like it for my own Dog, where I have not to worry about shipping. I don't like being taken by vet's making you pay for prescriptions for things like heart worm. Just my thought.
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Thats the way I see it. They charge an arm and a leg it seems to me. I have come across a couple vets in my area that are actually really good, and don't charge "overkill"
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Many do, took us a while to find one we liked and were comfortable with. I still do shots on Pointers and Ivermec for them, the wife's dogs go to the vet for it.Ahumphers91a wrote:Thats the way I see it. They charge an arm and a leg it seems to me. I have come across a couple vets in my area that are actually really good, and don't charge "overkill"
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Not me...You must be lucky and have some good vets in your area. I took my dog to the vet once for an ear infection and when I was leaving and checking out at the front desk they hit me with a $260.00 bill.....highway robbery. The other time I had my wife take another dog to the vet and they said the dog had a gum infection and cleaned his teeth......$360.00. The worst part was with this particular dog turned out to not be worth 2cents and before I was going to put him down some crazy lady from work took him for free. Another time, I used my buddy's vet for another infection $290.00. Thanks for the hook up pal. Those were my only vet visits in the last 6 years. I take it back, I didn't include health checks for shipping...but still.displaced_texan wrote:"Getting taken by vets" sure seems a little strong to me...
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Re: Ivermectin with PEG
We do have some good ones.Ron R wrote:Not me...You must be lucky and have some good vets in your area. I took my dog to the vet once for an ear infection and when I was leaving and checking out at the front desk they hit me with a $260.00 bill.....highway robbery. The other time I had my wife take another dog to the vet and they said the dog had a gum infection and cleaned his teeth......$360.00. The worst part was with this particular dog turned out to not be worth 2cents and before I was going to put him down some crazy lady from work took him for free. Another time, I used my buddy's vet for another infection $290.00. Thanks for the hook up pal. Those were my only vet visits in the last 6 years. I take it back, I didn't include health checks for shipping...but still.displaced_texan wrote:"Getting taken by vets" sure seems a little strong to me...
I've got nothing against anyone making a good living. But there is a point where things are ridiculous.
I have English Pointers because they don't ever grow up either...