Dave Walker vs Rick Smith - comparisons?
Dave Walker vs Rick Smith - comparisons?
I'm considering going to one of their seminars and I'm wondering if anyone had any comments/comparisons of them? The Smith seminar is much closer for me, but I have a few friends that are really, really high on Dave Walker, so I'm a bit torn. I'm just interested in hearing more about each and their main differences.
I know they both have videos, but I'd prefer something hands-on.
I know they both have videos, but I'd prefer something hands-on.
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Ricks seminar for most people starting out makes more sense
but both are good
review your Dvds and the one that makes the most sense to you go to that one....
but both are good
review your Dvds and the one that makes the most sense to you go to that one....
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Actually, I think that the Walker way is less complicated. He only uses a hot collar on the neck, and a check cord and his blunt spiked collar.
I believe, that the Smith way uses the Wonder lead, Whoa post, check cord w/a special knot, and a hot collar on the neck and the flank.
They are both a SILENT method, which in my opinion is the only way to go.
Dave's seminar probably isn't as expensive, which might make up for the extra distance. I have been to a couple of Dave's, so I may be a little prejudiced.
Doug
I believe, that the Smith way uses the Wonder lead, Whoa post, check cord w/a special knot, and a hot collar on the neck and the flank.
They are both a SILENT method, which in my opinion is the only way to go.
Dave's seminar probably isn't as expensive, which might make up for the extra distance. I have been to a couple of Dave's, so I may be a little prejudiced.
Doug
They both have a good reputation as trainers. The big difference that I hear is the cost with the Smith seminars being pretty high. Between the starting one and the intermediate or what ever they cakk it they are over 1000 dollars the last I heard.
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Has anyone noticed common sense isn't very common anymore.
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The foundation is 350.00 the intermediate is 750.00 and the advance is 1250.00
foundation he limits to 30 people
Intermediate and Advance only 10 in he seminar
So What he charges in relation to where you want to take your dog or dogs
most only do the foundation it is the one most everyone goes back to sit on also
Rick also travels a lot and all over.....and travel hotels the over charge he has on hauling his equipment including chain gangs and what he shares except for a couple of people everyone I know that was really serious about their dogs walked out feeling they got well more then their monies worth and a good handful of them have been to other well known seminars
But that is for the individual person to figure out which method makes the most sesne to them and more important their dog which yes rick breaks things down more which also over lays quicker for the dog to understand what truely is being asked of them. Not that other methods don't work they do my first dog was trained more west method base he turned out into a good bird dog.
foundation he limits to 30 people
Intermediate and Advance only 10 in he seminar
So What he charges in relation to where you want to take your dog or dogs
most only do the foundation it is the one most everyone goes back to sit on also
Rick also travels a lot and all over.....and travel hotels the over charge he has on hauling his equipment including chain gangs and what he shares except for a couple of people everyone I know that was really serious about their dogs walked out feeling they got well more then their monies worth and a good handful of them have been to other well known seminars
But that is for the individual person to figure out which method makes the most sesne to them and more important their dog which yes rick breaks things down more which also over lays quicker for the dog to understand what truely is being asked of them. Not that other methods don't work they do my first dog was trained more west method base he turned out into a good bird dog.
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If you feel like you are banging your head against the wall, try using the door.
Dave's seminar is $125 - not sure if you're supposed to bring a dog or not. I would be flying in and would not be able to bring one anyway, while I could to Smith's. That's another consideration.
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Both are successful trainers. I know Dave fairly well and respect him. He has accomplished as much as Rick has in the world of bird dogs.
No one way is the perfect and only way to train your dog. DO purchase the videos of both. ( Cheaper then two seminars) then attend the one that appeals more to your way of doing things. And then if you can, later on, attend the other one....no harm in doing both as you can afford to....
No one way is the perfect and only way to train your dog. DO purchase the videos of both. ( Cheaper then two seminars) then attend the one that appeals more to your way of doing things. And then if you can, later on, attend the other one....no harm in doing both as you can afford to....
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I don't know Dave but respect what he has done in the Brittany community. I have been to several of Rick's seminars and recommend him highly. I have seen both newbies and old experienced bird dog handlers attend his foundation seminar and one older experienced dog guy said he would not sell one of his pups to someone unless they attended one of Ricks seminars. I think he was just caught up in the moment but neverless a very good endorsement.
Thanks all; it sounds like either seminar would be a good choice, so that's good to hear.
I'll get online and get a video from each of them, or borrow one. I am mostly interested in how their approaches differ from each other, so the videos seem like my best way to do that.
I'll get online and get a video from each of them, or borrow one. I am mostly interested in how their approaches differ from each other, so the videos seem like my best way to do that.
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The video idea is a great one, mostly because it will help you to see HOW they work with the dog. As I am sure you know, Vizslas are typically softer than some of the other breeds and do not require strong correction/heavy training.
Then again, my Mom's Vizsla is NOT typical. (Very smart but NOT soft.) Good luck and have fun!
Then again, my Mom's Vizsla is NOT typical. (Very smart but NOT soft.) Good luck and have fun!
Yeah, I realize that. I watched Hickox's video and thought the approach was, if anything, gentler than what I'm used to seeing.
Your mom's dog sounds like my girl. Smart as a whip, but she has her own opinion that she is very, very reluctant to change.
Your mom's dog sounds like my girl. Smart as a whip, but she has her own opinion that she is very, very reluctant to change.
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SoCo's Twist of Fate JH, "Emma Jane"
DC AFC Valley Hunter's Southern Comfort CD MH NA NAJ, UT Prize II, "Shooter"
DC GCH Lagniappe's Chosen One MH, "Buffy"
DC AFC SoCo's Enchanted One JH, "TomBoy"
CH SoCo's Independence Day SH, "Patriot"
SoCo's Twist of Fate JH, "Emma Jane"
Thanks. Vizsla walking nationals are in Georgia that same weekend, so I can't make that one. Darnit.
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SoCo's Twist of Fate JH, "Emma Jane"
DC AFC Valley Hunter's Southern Comfort CD MH NA NAJ, UT Prize II, "Shooter"
DC GCH Lagniappe's Chosen One MH, "Buffy"
DC AFC SoCo's Enchanted One JH, "TomBoy"
CH SoCo's Independence Day SH, "Patriot"
SoCo's Twist of Fate JH, "Emma Jane"
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Thanks! Most of the website is my doing, with of course significant influence from the missus.
The videos are primarily her creation. I helped a little, but they're mostly all her.
The videos are primarily her creation. I helped a little, but they're mostly all her.
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DC AFC Valley Hunter's Southern Comfort CD MH NA NAJ, UT Prize II, "Shooter"
DC GCH Lagniappe's Chosen One MH, "Buffy"
DC AFC SoCo's Enchanted One JH, "TomBoy"
CH SoCo's Independence Day SH, "Patriot"
SoCo's Twist of Fate JH, "Emma Jane"
DC AFC Valley Hunter's Southern Comfort CD MH NA NAJ, UT Prize II, "Shooter"
DC GCH Lagniappe's Chosen One MH, "Buffy"
DC AFC SoCo's Enchanted One JH, "TomBoy"
CH SoCo's Independence Day SH, "Patriot"
SoCo's Twist of Fate JH, "Emma Jane"